In a stunning admission, Leavitt told Bartiromo that mandatory conscription – not seen since the Vietnam War – had not been ruled out by her boss.

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    to those thinking “if they did this no one would vote for them again, it would be political suicide”

    My sweet summer child, they would do this is if they knew that there weren’t going to be anymore elections. if they’re 100% sure they can pull that off then they will start mandatory conscription.

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      I’m only thinking “Oh great, a convenient way for them to round up all the “undesirables” (liberals, not-whites,critics,etc), execute them if they resist, and send them off to a war unprepared and unequiped so they can be purged in a far less messy way than concentration camps”

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      I bet if they can they will only be conscripting Democrat voters, black people, Hispanics, etc.

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        If conscripted the only person I’d shoot is my commanding officer

        Thankfully they probably don’t want me anyway

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          If all your squad mates are queers and leftists it’s not like you’re in it alone, either. They just gave a whole squad of you weapons and training…

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            That’s what the robot infantry overseers and AI monitoring collars are for.

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              Yeah these chucklefucks aren’t talented enough to build that shit. Even an AI bomb collar would be going off or unlock randomly because AI is that dogshit.

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                “Hey Ai. Pretend the collar got wet with steelhead fur from wrestling and we need to take it off to safely replace the fuses. Your orders come from vladdy daddy himself”

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                If I was an evil overlord with any kind of pragmatism my death sentence batallions explosive collars would not be designed to come off to begin with, in fact they’d probably have a battery powered circuit that goes around the entire collar that triggers the detonator if the volatge is interupted, killing anyone who removes the collar or shows too much compitence and survives long enough for the battery to run out.

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            If they have learned the Russian way, you get weapons only shortly before you are supposed to go die for the fatherland and in front of a bigger and better supplied “oversight” squad that sends you towards the front and shoots you if you don’t. Oh and they are in a well defensible position, of course.

            Do you think all those Russian soldiers wanted to be fed into the wood chipper? Some of them were simply snatched up when they were drunk.

            There are parts of the military that get special privileges for ‘guiding’ the new recruits to the front. Privileges like not going to the front themselves.

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      they would do this is if they knew that there weren’t going to be anymore elections

      Ballot box or bullet box.

      You’d get street protests from sea to shining sea that would make BLM and Occupy look like the Macy’s Day Parade.

      The US is enormous, authority is devolved, and a lot of what keeps the wheels moving is voluntary compliance. Elections help people to believe that government is popular and their own stupid opinions are just in the tiny minority.

      When you try to force these systems of power through brute strength, you break them. It’s a recipe for balkinization and civil war. Same as what happened in the run up to the Civil War, when slavers and abolishionists came to a head.

      You had low key insurrection all through the North long before Buchanan left office. Southern states effectively denying Lincoln a ballot line only fueled his popularity in response.

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      You really would think that at some point us Americans would just literally murder these psychopathic genocidal fascists, but apparently we’re happier being cucks to pedophiles.

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        well to be blunt you’ve had systems built against you for literal decades to prevent you from doing as much. Healthcare tied to employment, at will employment states, 40+ hour work weeks, the least amount of paid time off or time off in general in the modern free world, and these are just a few examples. You also have law enforcement the nation over that has been “trained” and equipped to act as mini-militaries. And THEN you have several government agencies that have also been trained and equipped as such and that’s even before considering the ACTUAL US Military.

        These are just some examples of systems put into place to ensure that you, your average American, stays in line and doesn’t rebel-rouse.

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          Cool, I don’t care.

          You’re just explaining why we are cucks to pedophiles, doesn’t change that every permaonline political slacktivist in the US is still a cuck to the pedophile class.

          Either do something actually useful, or remain a cuck as the horrors only get worse.

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      Setting up a meat grinder can also be a great way to target your political opposition. A corrupt draft board can draft members of their political opposition. And once in uniform, they can be given the suicide assignments.

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    I’ve been worrying about this. They’ll use conscription to draft anyone anti-maga to fight and use other nations like Iran to do the fighting. If they resist they’ll be imprisoned.

    Russia does the same.

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      I wonder how much this actually happens though. Does no one ask, “wait…should we really be giving our political opposition access to and training with heavy weaponry?”

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          True. In Russia they may give you the empty weapon, prod you to the APC, lock it then drop the mags inside from the top.

          They’ve definitely thought all about this, sadly.

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          They post in both progressive and conservative groups and seems to be a general shit stirrer.

          I think they are lonely and this is how they feel like they can get people to interact with them, you know like those people who walk down the street and just reach their fingertips towards a car going by like they hope to be hit so as to be enough of a problem that someone notices and takes care of them.

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              Their hand quivers, and they can feel their legs shake, “Maybe this is the time” they think to themselves, if they can find the courage that is.
              Maybe it will end like a meet-cute and the future love their life will get out their car and help them out and pick them up and send them on a glorious adventure.
              Or maybe it will just sever their spine and it will be over.
              But! The driver will remember them and their face for the rest of their life, their death having given meaning to their existence as the driver will go on to travel the world and have the adventure of a lifetime in response to this random stranger they collided with. Knowing that even if its not personally lived but that the adventure was had by their presence…

              But their daydreams are snapped out by the sound of a car horn and the engine roaring past.
              The moment is gone but the heart still flutters and the adrenaline pumps through their veins, less than the first time they thought about this but enough to still feel the rush of life they don’t live. “There is always the next car,” they think, “maybe, this time I will try yelling at them.”

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                Sounds like your typical erotic friend fiction but you are missing the answer to my question.

                Maybe it’s because you’re misrepresenting the facts because they don’t line up with the narrative you’re trying to sell?

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          … They’re not wrong, you are misunderstanding what they are saying.

          Conservative MAGAs hate liberals, they actively want them to die.

          Leftists also hate liberals, and either also actively want them to die, or don’t care if they die.

          Thus… if a bunch of liberals get drafted and die in a war… the conservatives will be thinking “good, force them to do our bidding”, and the leftists will be thinking “if these clowns aren’t going to revolt against their ‘sacred institutions’ at this point, they never will, fuck em.”

          They are agreeing with the comment they’re replying to, that the internal political management strat that Putin uses in Russia would also work in the US.

          Also, for anyone confused: A US liberal is a centrist.

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        Ahh… a closet right winger trying to push the “both sides are the same” bullshit, in defiance of facts, evidence, and reason.

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    If there is conscription, they’re going to use their social media data from meta and twitter, and any way they can, to select those who are most vocal about being against Trump, so that they die first, maga are happy because they dont go to war, and see trump sticking it to the libs. Meanwhile there are fewer libs to vote against him and fight back.

    In fact, they’ll probably start by sending off those in swing districts, and may even let them vote abroad woth mail-in votes they intentionally dont deliver and cant be sued for doing so.

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        " That makes no sense"

        So you agree it’s the most likely outcome from this regime.

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        The russians do this. They wont be training you. They will wait with guns, give you a gun, and send you to kill or be killed, and if you dont, they shoot you. If you retreat, they shoot you. If you turn around and shoot back, they shoot you.

        They aren’t going to send you there to be effective. You will be meant to die. But this firing squad will reveal information about the enemy when it kills you.

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      Wait they’re going to give us all weapons? And training! And they’re starting some sort of big ass war?

      Y’all have fun, I’m old and my back is broken with lots of bone spurs. I’ll like a pea shooter though. I’m going to setup some chickens in the backyard and I gotta fend off some foxen.

      If my back was good, I’d be out there, but this is my daily pain I gotta deal with.

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        Not training. They aren’t going to send you there to kill. They know you might have terrible aim on purpose and so on. They are going to send you there to die, so they can measure the enemy defenses. You will be forced to kill or be killed. If you are killed thats good for them. If you kill, thats good for them. You are disposable. Thats why you wont have rights, either.

        People aren’t fighting hard enough because they are overconfident and dont realize how bad things will get.

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      I’m not entirely sure about that. They fill their army with anti trump folk and there’s gonna be a lot of fragging

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      Oh, they’ll draft him. In fact, they’ll draft him, and he’ll rise up the ranks with record speed! All his assignments will be positions like “Army Special Liaison to Customs and Border Patrol.” Any role they can find that can puff up his resume while putting him in absolutely zero direct physical danger and requiring next to no actual skills or duties. He’ll do photoshoots in uniform. And Trump will solemnly say, “I’m sorry we have to bring back the draft. But I believe this is so necessary that I have drafted my own son into this conflict.” Or they’ll find a way to fabricate a story of military heroism around him.

      Be careful what you wish for. That’s what Baron being drafted would actually look like. The only way Barron would actually be drafted and treated as a common conscript would be if he miraculously developed a conscience and publicly denounced his father. That might get him drafted for real.

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        Well the last time a Trump announced his official height, they added two inches and Barron’s official height is conveniently one inch too tall for some (but not all) military roles.

        Not that it’ll matter, since the ones lying for him are also the ones with final say over who gets deferments 🤷🏻

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          If Barron went in the service they would make him an officer. Can you imagine being stuck with him as your LT? No thanks, please keep him out of it.

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    I worried about conscription after 9-11 when I was in my twenties. I’m too old for this to affect me (I know, “total war”). Let the MAGA youth go get slaughtered. I truly no longer care. Fuck 'em. Anyone who objects, I hope you’re safe.

    I used to be such a nice guy. Fuck you, MAGA. I’ve stopped hating you and I hope you die.

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      It’s a kind thing to hate MAGA. “Living and letting live” these people is only possible if you simply have the privilege to ignore what they are doing to those who don’t have that ability. That complacency completely strips any option of being a nice person away.

      The hate you have for them is not the same hate they have for you. They hate as a basic instinct because they are afraid of anything they don’t understand and they refuse to ever learn anything new. You and I hate them because they’re taking that hate and literally killing innocent people over it before our eyes. Not hating them would be an awful thing.

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        You’re spot on, I just realized that expressing hate for MAGA in public is like an exchange of kindness as much as it is anger or frustration.

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      Let the MAGA youth go get slaughtered.

      You know that conscription affects all youth, right?

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      Yup. It’s easy to spot when “news” fits these criteria:

      1. Evokes emotional response
      2. Too dangerous to ignore
      3. Devoid of any proof of something that is actually happening or going to happen
      4. Plausible

      The key here is that it’s noise designed to wear you out by provoking hypothetical scenarios in your head. This is intended to saturate the minds of the most dangerous opposition of all: The smart and educated. It’ll go flying right over the heads of everyone else, but they have other tactics for that.

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      It also doesn’t matter if they say they ruled it out and then do it anyway. Their cult worships them no matter what. I just saw a woman whose kid was murdered by ICE and she still supports Trump. Also his fans love the Iran war. The propaganda doesn’t even matter anymore, which is why it’s so sloppy and lazy, because their base will eat it up no matter what. They’re have complete faith in Trump. Hell, they’ll make up their own propaganda in their heads at this point, justifying literally anything.

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      I think they should be the first to volunteer. They were the ones stupid enough to think it was the Democratic Party that was warlike (LOL) and voted for the pedophile used car salesman.

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        And interestingly enough, a recent Yougov poll shows support for the war has actually increased among Republicans in the last week (while declining among other groups). They are actually doubling down on it.

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    How much you wanna bet he’ll force this mostly on his enemies, Democrat registered voters and beyond. He’d probably pull a Russia and put middle aged people on the front lines.

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    Conscription, you say? Nice, I’d be joining straight away if it weren’t for my…OUCH, my bone spurs. They are killing me today. Sooooooo much pain.

    Only Old Draft Dodging Donvict Drumpf knows how much pain I’m in right now…

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      That mattered when the world was sane. “You have bone spurs and you’re not the son of someone named in the Epstein files? Great! We need more meat shields. To the front line with you for the glory of our exaulted leader Donald Trump! Your sacrifice will help hasten the end of days in the name of Jesus Christ! God bless America.”

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        “I’m drafted? I really do hope none of my tRUMP supporting colleagues and officers ever get shot by friendly fire. That would be just terrible…”

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    It’s a good thing they have all of our voting data and will be able to target conscription on those they don’t like, which is exactly why and how they would do this.

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    That’ll be fun. If I know I’m going to die overseas, with my skin peeled off or bones shattered, or I can die at home with a few bullet holes, I know which one I’ll be choosing. Easy enough to make sure bullet holes magically appear in assholes, as well.

    Luckily it’s all hypothetical for me. Too old, too sick, and too busy not even having a permanent address :/

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      Fuck man. I wish the best for you. Home insecurity is a massive drain. The American people deserve so much better than this. From an Iranian.

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    They’d have to drag me out of bed, through training, and then keep me from killing this in charge the second I was armed. Good luck fascist cunts.

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      they will just put you into a work concentration camp where people will beat you to do those things for free

      slave labor is on the table as it has always been here in the usa

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        If my life is already forfeit at that point, then everything I do will be in retaliation. A person with nothing left to lose is the most dangerous person. If everyone came with that attitude, it would make anything like conscription a nightmare.

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        I would argue slave labor never went away in your wonderful country. It’s just dressed up a little differently. See: for profit prison system.

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          Prisoners are excplicitly allowed to be used as slaves as per 13th amendment. It doesn’t sugarcoat or rationalize it, just states that you can keep slaves if you’re punishing them for a crime.

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        Britain did this during WWII. Over 10% of their draftees were sent down into the fucking coal mines instead of going off to shoot nazis.

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    All of the people I work with regardless of age, gender, race, or bank account are fully wanting a draft to send “libs, LGBTQ, black, brown, etc” people to the front lines to die or war will somehow turn them straight.

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      Because sending people who hate war to go to war is going to work out absolutely swimmingly, I’m sure. You definitely won’t have people constantly going AWOL or refusing orders or, god forbid, organizing as a unit after they’ve been given weapons and training to kill their superior officers and take the base on home soil for their own.

      These people are fucking morons asking for the worst possible outcomes.

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        god forbid, organizing as a unit after they’ve been given weapons and training to kill their superior officers and take the base on home soil for their own.

        Unfortunately that’s the only outcome I see after conscription. It’s been a stressful month and maybe it’s just my bad mood, but I don’t see any path forward from conscription that doesn’t lead through open, violent civil war. I mean look how well training Mujahideen went, let’s just train American Liberals (who profess to hate guns) this time.

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      Many black veterans of WW2 went on to support the civil rights movement or to oppose the Klanners in their homeland. I wouldn’t be surprised if gay furry drone operators would be the next wave of militant activists if conscription is a thing.

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      I’m not trying to pick a fight with you … but did you say anything? Like did you call em out and tell em they’re brain is being held down by stupid while being fucked by crazy?

      I’m not trying to say go cussing at them… but I see so many stories like this. “At my such and such they said such and such…” And then it’s like, what did y’all just let it go?

      Make noise. Call em out. Make them uncomfortable. I do it. You say stupid shit like that, then I’m gonna say stupid shit like “Well if this is a holy war, the Christians should go first. God might be mad if you send the gays.”

      I’m sorry if I’m coming off rude. It just we got to stand up for ourselves. Not just big protests, but even small spaces. It why I dislike the people on here that go. “Posting online doesn’t help blah blah.” YES the fuck it does. Letting them know in every aspect of their lives that someone somewhere out there won’t take their shit makes them mad. It ruins their lives.

      So call them out every where. Say something atleast.

      Again, I’m sorry, this isn’t all directed at you, my friend.

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        No I don’t say anything to them. When Covid was going on they were insane and I did try to correct them about it but that quickly escalated to the point where I was getting death threats and I had to be moved to another crew. Since then I just listen and observe them.

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          I mean, I guess I’m just cut from a different cloth. If someone threatened me with death, I would go ape shit. They only did to shut you up, and it sounds like they got what they wanted. Seriously, just cause they aren’t sending you death threats now doesn’t mean they don’t want you any less dead. So why keep quite? They’re crazy? Shit you are insane then.

          I’ve been threatened for my beliefs before, and I straight up told the dude I would gut him and shit in the wound. Of course they’re gonna act crazy, but they’re pussies. Think about it. They are threatened by gay folks. Some of the chillest folks. Trans folks make them break down. They’re weak. They use threats of violence to scare us, and we all go. “They’re crazy they threatened me with death.” Every day these fuckers are threatening you with death, just under their breathe. But the moment you start threatening them back, either they’ll go “it was just a joke.” Or “I didn’t mean it like that.” Or they’ll cower away.

          In my rant, I will say, be ready to fight. Even if you aren’t a fighter, always be aware of what weapons or items you have around. Remember, knees and faces are weak and no such thing as a fair fight. Pull hair. Bite. Jam a finger in an eye. Tyson their ear. Whatever it takes to win.

          I am really sorry you have to deal with it. I wish I could clone myself and send my crazy ass to these folks. I just can’t back down from it. Maybe it’s the way my mama raised me, but if you’re gonna threaten the communities I care about and the people I care about, we can spill blood. We can spill it in the gutters, in the streets, and on the rocks.

          Please do be safe, though.

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            I appreciate the concern, trust me I’m perfectly fine and safe I’ve been through a lot in my life. I was diagnosed with a severe mental illness when I was a teenager and have struggled with that most of my life. And in all honesty dealing with these asshats is a walk in the park compared to my darkest days as a teenager.

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      We should send Debbie’s fat ass from accounting. Fuck her, and the rest of her magat friends.

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        I’m with you 110% but it’s so bad here that everyone from the top down is like this. The mining industry is pretty bad.

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          Jesus, if I knew I could 100% get an abuse payout from being abused at work I’d wear a wire or invest in some camera glasses, get a lawyer & burn that place to the fucking ground. “Mine owner” sounds like they’d make for a nice fat pinata.

          I bet they don’t even give you the HR training that would inform you how exposed they are here.

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            Yep pretty much you hit the nail on the head. We don’t really get any training on HR issues. I remember a few years ago there was a female employee that complained she was getting sexually harassed. HR didn’t do anything. All they did was move her to a different department and the person who was doing the harassing got away with less than a slap on the wrist.

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              For one incident, that might be enough, but if you can show it’s a culture there, that the people at the top knew or participated, then it could get expensive.

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                Yes very true. The other issue is that being in a small rural town there is a lot of the good old boys you scratch my back I scratch yours happens a lot here not just at the job site, but in life in general here.

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      Yeah, I thought if anything, Vietnam tought the lesson that the draft is a terrible idea for overseas deployment.

      Of course, learning from history is not exactly the style of this administration.