• DoubleDongle@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    I have never, ever heard of someone calling for the deportation of Israelis. I think anyone who wants that was probably anti-semitic already and has taken the objectively horrific actions of the IDF as a reason to hate Jewish people in general.

  • 0x0@lemmy.zip
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    This thread is going so “it’s bad to call for the genocide of israel” i had to re-read the meme.
    It says “expell israelis to europe”… it doesn’t say “kill’em all”, wtf is wrong with this thread? Or am i missing something?

    And no, a one state solution is not possible, as shown after over 70 years. Unless that state was to be ruled and controlled by the UN and all other military forces completely dismantled - so, not gonna happen.
    It would be slightly less unrealistic if the UN was to enforce the Green Line, ensuring the West Bank and Gaza are entirely in control of Palestinians.

    Both fail 'cos the UN has no teeth.

    Full embargo on israel, especially on weapons, could work, but, again, hypocrites of this world won’t let it happen.

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    10 hours ago

    There’s no undo button here. You can’t ungenocide by genocide, you can’t ungay a gay and you can’t unvote Trump. We can move only forward

  • confluence@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Israel is the most anti-Jewish state since Nazi Germany, and Palestinians are semitic.

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    Unfortunately, the term “antisemitic” no longer has any kind of fixed meaning. I wish that weren’t true, and I think it’s a combination of forces that decided to misuse the word for several decades, that have now led to it being meaningless.

    And you might be tempted to tell me what you think it means, and maybe I could agree with you, but when I turn on the TV tomorrow someone else will be using it in a totally different way that’s inconsistent. Actually I’m kidding. I don’t have a TV.

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      Words that people misuse are still meaningful when the reader and writer both understand the same meaning. I expect you understand OP perfectly well.

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        Words that people misuse for the sake of propaganda are intentionally misleading, regardless of how any in-group understands it.

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          Your use of the word “intentionally” is quite confusing to me. Intentionally misleading on whose part? The word’s part, or the in-group’s?

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    Jewish people and groups around the world need to issue strong rejection of Israel’s actions.

    If they don’t, i’m very concerned that Israel’s crimes will fall back on them in the future.

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      17 hours ago

      Let’s look at sentiment from different groups

      Young and liberal associate them with Israeli genocide.

      Young and conservative is full of full on Nazis.

      Politically they aren’t worth much being concentrated in liberal strongholds.

      When the old folks who are pro Israel go into the grounds dislike will be a rare point of agreement. Not a great position.

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        It will protect them from the free palestine crowd, but not from anti-semites. Is there a downside though?

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            I’m sure contains, though I doubt there’s a complete overlap, not covers for. People who want a literal genocide to end aren’t automatically antisemites or antisemite apologists. Nor are antisemites, especially Trumper antisemites, automatically in favor of Palestine.

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            Well yeah, obviously. There are anti-semites everywhere. I meant those whose motivations are “free palestine,” which in my estimate is the main motivation of the free palestine crowd when viewed as a whole – not antisemitism. I don’t mean to say that there don’t exist people who are aligned with free-palestine just because they’re anti-semitic. But there’s no protection from those people either way – so, no downside.

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    21 hours ago

    I mean sure. Don’t me a racist bigot. Of course.

    But let’s not pretend that religion isn’t fueling the atrocities being committed on both sides of the conflict.

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      Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived in that area together for hundreds of years. This is a political conflict. The fucking Israeli settlers are psychopaths who roll into towns and start setting things on fire. It’s about territory, like all colonialist aggression.

      Just gonna leave this here…

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      Religion isn’t fueling it, it is just used as moral justification from both sides. If religion didn’t exist the same thing would happen, but with a different form of moral justification.