If Dems had a collective backbone (yeah, I know, but let’s pretend), they’d make it clear that, on getting back in office, they’ll declare a state of emergency, suspend the part of the Constitution that gives the President unconditional pardon powers, and rescind every single pardon that Trump has issued unless it can be proven that it was not corruptly issued.
And while they’re at it, remove every single Trump-appointed judge, reverse every precedential decision that MAGA-majority courts have made, repeal every single piece of legislation, and roll back every executive order and regulatory change made by the Trump admininstration.
And since we’re on a roll, impose a lifetime ban on every single Trump appointee ever holding public or corporate office (after they’re removed from office), and shut down and seize the assets of any phony non-profit that was interfering in the political process, and apply the same ban to any billionair donors of those groups.
In other words, turn the system off and turn it back on. Hard reset.
I’ll be honest, the constitution is done in my eyes. Not BAD but needs to be so completely rewritten in order to prevent these man babies from doing shit again that it’s better to literally start over. The entire judicial system has been flawed if not outright broken for decades now. The electoral system is fucked beyond belief.
Seriously, it is hard to name a part of this society that is not foundationally broken. We need to start over. Have a new congress of states and shit. Create a NEW country.
declare a state of emergency, suspend the part of the Constitution that gives the President unconditional pardon powers, and rescind every single pardon that Trump has issued
It’s weird not to understand
- Republicans would have done that already if that were truly possible.
- Democrats want to run a country, for people, and that limits their actions. Republicans want to run a country into the ground, for themselves, and the fact that they don’t need there to be a country afterward means they can do so much more to the people and the country.
Didn’t secret service shred their signal messages after the insurrection?
The entire administration needs to be thrown in prison immediately. No bail.
Damn right we won’t forget. We will hang every one of you fascist fucks if it takes every day for the rest of our lives.
We are coming.
I don’t believe it. I’m certain if somehow we get another democratically elected president they will drop all charges in the name of “healing” and let the fascists regroup to try again.
Maybe it’s time for some extrajudicial justice. We can’t count on the courts to do the right thing any way.
Healing won’t happen unless you debride the festering wound.
I demand truth but reconciliation is strictly optional.
As the great political philosopher Peter Tosh put it: “Everybody’s talkin’ 'bout peace, none is crying out for justice.”
I don’t want no peace. I want equal rights and justice.
After Nixon- healing/pardon, after Reagan-healing/pardon, Bush 1- healing, Bush 2-healing, Trump 1- healing/oops we waited too long. Seems pretty on brand.
Yep, you can’t rely on the system to fix the system.
Their actions point twoards them being complicit even
Biden had every opportunity to undo the tax breaks that Trump started. Obama had the option to fight citizens united.
Democrats don’t fight for the people, they don’t fight against the people. They are placeholders until a republican shows up to fight the people for them.
Biden had every opportunity to undo the tax breaks that Trump started.
He did? I didnt’t think that was a power the president had.
I mean, the current presidential term seems to point to yes, but the answer is actually no.
Though that won’t stop the “why did the dems not break the law like Trump?” trolls trying to sew division.
Yeah, well the rest of us won’t forget and immunity won’t save you from an angry mob.
There is no real history of holding the forces of fascist regimes accountable. If you’re thinking of the Neuremberg Trials, I urge you to look up how many people actually got prosecuted and faced justice compared to the total number of Nazi officials. Spoiler: it wasn’t many.
Thinking that members of ICE or supporters of this administration will face ANY legal consequences for their actions is delusionally naive. They won’t.
Even in a magical fantasy scenario where MAGA loses all power, progressives get into office, and enact wide sweeping change to undo all of Trump’s damage and ensure it can’t happen again; the only thing that would happen to these people is that ICE loses funding and they have to find a new job. That’s it. And in reality, even if a progressive takes office, ICE funding is never going away. Just look at the TSA, we were promised it would be a temporary thing in response to 9/11. Does anyone really believe it’s temporary anymore? Does anyone expect even the most progressive politician to push to defund them?
Saddam Hussein, Muhammar Ghadaffi, Osama bin Laden. Lots of tyrants were eliminated for the way they reigned. A country full of angry people, especially a country that still has a death penalty is nothing to fuck around with.
Whether a country has a death penalty or not doesn’t matter when revolutionary justice is being dispensed.
honestly yes, defunding ICE, would be like dismantling the SS in germany. which did happen after WW2, along with the gestapo. they were declared a criminal organization, who committed crimes against humanity.
did all of them suffer for it? no, many of them were reabsorbed into other programs and orgs for the cold war by allies and even germany itself.
but those were only the valuable or lucky members (think project paper clip). most of the remaining less valuable members without good enough connections either fled or faced the nuremburg trials. even those that fled faced trials for decades afterwards.
ICE, if the progressives ever win, will likely be “dismantled” due to public outcry, if not that, its funding will be dramatically reduced to pre trump levels or lower, and those funds put into different agencies, and its less important members will either be absorbed into things like the military, “less extreme” border agencies, the police, national guard, etc. while ones who are proven to have commited terrible acts will likely be charged, if they dont flee in some form afterwards.
this of course is a “hopeful” outlook, history may repeat itself from time to time, but sometimes it plays the telephone game with itself. this is not a blue print, but a potential outcome based on history.
i guess we’ll see. but i HIGHLY doubt the next election will be fair, or have a progressive outcome.
there will likely be a full blown civil war before another “fair” election is had again.
If the US has another Civil War, it shouldn’t reunite as one country again. Too vast a gap in values.
That’s just what Putin wants. Also, it’s a very bad idea. I want those fuckers driven from power, and effective measures in place to keep them out. Everywhere in the US. I’ll be damned if I accept that even a small number of decent people should be put under perpetual rule of those assholes. That’s betrayal of our fellow countryment and of our values.
It’s also accepting their framing and handing them a partial victory when they have done nothing to deserve any concession at all.
No no no. The side that is full of fascists must go. The country stays together. I ain’t running away cos somebody else is a fascist - the fascists should be made to go away.
Yeah. Fascists will invent a neighbor just to have somewhere to villanize, pilfer, and enslave.
It’s like they want to stay high on coke basically, but the coke is slavery and fear.
Fascism is basically poison ivy.
I hope somebody throws a bullet+shaped pie at Miller right in his fucking forehead
preferably a cow pie.
Can’t miss with all that space.
Trump may have Supreme Court immunity, but his administration does not.
And Trump’s immunity can change too, if the Supreme Court is changed.
He can pardon them for federal crimes.
Not unless they “Weekend at Bernie’s” his ass. Off-brand Hitler doesnt look like he’d live long enough for the law to catch up with him and his handlers
I mean they want to undo Bidens pardons. So its like kicking a bear in the nuts hoping it wont strike back, only they know the bear wont because we have to move past this and it sets a bad precedent
BUT if we Hold Accountable the people that are LITERALLY SENDING THEIR SUPPORTERS TO MURDER DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS it MIGHT look Political! BEST to Forgive and Forget!
Biden set a precedent by pardoning everyone at the end of his term. Trump will do the same and they’ll all be untouchable without a change in the law.
Ignore the pardons. The law doesn’t matter any more.
He can’t pardon shit at the state level though.
Can you pardon someone if they haven’t been convicted (or indicted) for a crime yet?
Didn’t Biden basically issue a preemptive blanket pardon for people (his son, maybe?) before he left office?
I believe they can pardon someone for past crimes that haven’t been charged or convicted, but not for future crimes.
That sounds stupid.
Is “double jeopardy” a thing or just a movie? And can that apply if they were pre-pardoned for a crime they weren’t charged with yet?
Didn’t watch the movie but depends on the law. If you break a law, say murder. It can be charged at both a state and federal level. So if you are pardoned by the federal government, you can still get life in prison or the death penalty by a state
Weirdly their immunity currently can’t stop bullets.
I wish I could believe that but.
*gestures to everything*
I sure hope it gives them pause, but I don’t think any of these assholes will face consequences. I mean, if recent history is any guide.
The J6 terrorists got a slap on the wrist (and were all given a pardon by Taco), and AFAIK, none of the orchestrators of the attempted coup and those that planned and stoked the terrorism got any punishment whatsoever.
I’d argue that at least one of the organizers of the J6 insurrection experienced permanent consequences.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/charlie-kirk-january-6-bus-transportation-f71523
Well, I guess that’s fair. I should say I meant legal consequences. What happened to Kirk was obviously extralegal and although the motive(s) are still unknown (?), probably wasn’t done primarily because of his J6 activities.
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LOL the ignorant poster!
