In all fairness, I don’t think any of this crazy is coming from Trump. It’s the perfectly sane fascists he has hired.

Good point, they either will, or they won’t.

And there’s no way for us to know if democrats were on the verge of over playing their hand. I would bet the party had internal polling that told them it was the right time to end the shutdown.

It’s also worth noting that many of the democrats that wanted to cave also cared about the people being harmed by the shutdown. Real people.

People on here do not care because, just like that other commenter, the shutdown served their best interests, so who cares. Well there are congress people that do care.

You see that S&P? It’s so big!

Yeah, it should be easy for rural voters to see the benefits of Dems and to see how republicans are actively harming them. Just need somebody to say it.

as the Trump Administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before.

This dude is batshit fucking crazy.

It’s not gonna do them any good anyway. They can’t use it.

What’s your point though? He’s was right, the party moved on and that was clearly a mistake. Now it seems like they’re recognizing that mistake and doing something about it.

I think it’s important to remember that different parts of the country require different types of candidates. Dems flipped out about Manchin, but he was the only Democrats would get elected in the region.

He was right, though.

Chevron’s $220 million award against Ecuador is far below the more than $3 billion the company had sought, and represents legal fees the firm spent related to its Ecuadorian operations, including costs spent defending itself against a class-action-style lawsuit that resulted in a $9.5 billion judgment against the company, issued in 2011.

The validity of that Ecuadorian judgment, a ruling affirmed by the country’s highest court, was at the heart of the ISDS arbitration. In 2018, the arbitrators declared the $9.5 billion judgment fraudulent, finding that Ecuadorian courts had treated Chevron unfairly and that the government was wrong to let the ruling stand.

The 2018 ruling was based on evidence that the lawyers who had won the $9.5 billion judgment did so by forging an expert’s signature, blackmailing a judge, facilitating the ghostwriting of a key piece of evidence and bribing other Ecuadorian judges — acts the lawyers either denied or said weren’t illegal in Ecuador at the time.

Interesting.

I’ve heard that the guy leading the Democratic Party right now has been pushing for a 50 state approach as well as pushing for all levels of government, even state legislatures. Putting more money into state parties as well. Seems like the right approach at least.

Sounds like you’re looking for civil war basically.

Republicans have always been hypocrites.

I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.

Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.

Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.

What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.

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The fact that we haven’t yet is only more proof that the people being picked up are not and have never been dangerous criminals.

Not that we needed proof of this.

It’s a Republican ass mentality to say it serves me me me. If the user had said it was for the greater good because of subsidies and Trump and what not, I wouldn’t have left the comment I did. But they said it serves me me me and they don’t care about any of the people genuinely affected by the government shutdown.

The opinion is not republican, but the behavior is 100% republican.

Edit: It’s also worth noting my original comment that started all this.

Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.

So the user’s reply to that comment was to say he didn’t care about the subsidies or shutdown cause it benefited them.

Trump is going to do everything he can to rig it.

This was a very interesting read. This was my favorite tidbit.

“There was a popular movie website at the time, Ain’t It Cool News, and the guy who ran it was a fan of my work, and I contacted him,” Baker continued. “I said, ‘Listen, Universal wants to paint Jim Carrey green. I feel it’s a major mistake. I did a test on myself of what I think it should look like. Can you somehow say that you saw this test and that Universal is making a major mistake and they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about?’ And he did. And it was outrageous responses from everybody. ‘What the hell is wrong with these people at Universal? I don’t want to see green Jim Carrey. I want to see a Grinch!’ Blah, blah, blah. So they finally caved in.”