We need to start harassing republicans like how they harass democrats. Just ask them, over and over again “Do you condemn Nazis?”.
Everytime a leftist does anything moderately pro-Palestine, all you hear is “But do you condemn Hamas??? Condemn Hamas???”.
Flip it, use it against them. Berate them, harass them “Do you condemn Nazis??”
They’re trying to designate artifa a foreign terrorist organization, so they’ll be able to lock you up for 20 years for speaking out against Nazis.
Look, I don’t believe that every republican voter I run into in the real world is a straight up Nazi. Half my family are republicans and, although pretty ignorant and dumb, are generally decent people. That being said, if you are a republican and find the need to defend this or act like it’s not a big deal, you are a literally associating with Nazis. It doesn’t matter what your politics are, the people that you think have your back are literal Nazis.
If you have a Nazi at a bar with 11 other people and no one kicks the Nazi out, you have a dozen Nazis at a Nazi bar.
These ignorant idiots are responsible for enabling the Nazis, I have no sympathy left.
Look, I don’t believe that every republican voter I run into in the real world is a straight up Nazi
If they continue to support Benedict Donald and haven’t taken accountability for their vote then yes, they are undeniably Nazis
I’m not saying every Conservative is a Nazi but if you find me a Nazi I can bet the farm that they’re a Conservative.
That should be very, very concerning to level headed people to the right of the centre.
Going back to circa 1930s, there was a word for a person who supported the Nazi party not because that person was evil to the core, but because they got duped and were too stubborn to admit it; or because they thought it would bring about positive economic changes; or because they thought was the best option for Germany despite the evil stuff happening at an alarming frequency…
That word was “Nazi”. Every one of them you would have run into in the real world was a literal, straight up Nazi.
About half of my family are also Nazis. Whatever they generally are in addition to being Nazis stopped mattering when they decided to become Nazis.
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If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi. It’s that simple.
The world is more complicated than memes would have you believe
If you provide support for fascism and enable it’s spread you are a sympathizer or collaborator.
If I did, which I didn’t.
Not in this. Support of Nazis is approval of Nazism, making you a Nazi.
A person who was actually educated on the topic would call them fascists, not Nazis. Unless you think they’re literally the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the 1930s then they’re not Nazis.
Calling fascists Nazis is a meme spread by the ignorant who’s only education is social media. Don’t confuse upvotes with being correct, the Internet is full of ignorant people and literal children.
OR as someone with this exact education you are talking about, we are calling them Nazis because hey are closest to Neo-Nazis in their ideology and we call Neo-nazis “Nazis”.
Given you claimed education why are you not seeing this?
calling them nazi’s is not ignorance of what a nazi was.
it’s invoking direct comparison between someone and the explicit actions of the nazis among other fascist.
it’s sorta like claiming none can be called a dickhead because no one has a dick for a head
to argue agisnst the capability of comparison is to defend one of the two parties, so which nazi are you defending here?
to argue agisnst the capability of comparison is to defend one of the two parties, so which nazi are you defending here?
More ignorant nonsense. This is the kind of reasoning that you get from only consuming social media.
The world isn’t divided into “everyone who agrees with me 100% on everything” and Nazis.
Ah yes, everyone who defends Palestine are supporters of Hamas no?
Too bad the other side won’t give you the same deference you give the Nazi, oops I meant the Neo Nazis, or no wait the Fascists.
This is all about optics and if calling them Nazi works to any degree, I could care less about semantics.
Consider conservatives care exactly zero percent about semantics, it seems like your personal crusade to correct every reference from Nazi to Fascist is foolhardy to say the least.
“Everyone I disagree with is an ignorant child” huh?
“I make bad faith misrepresentations of what other people say, but that’s okay because I get upvotes and that’s what matters in the world”
Go find the Wikipedia article about companies that participated in the Holocaust and then sit and think about what companies are doing today just to make a little more money. It’s the same shit through and through.
I don’t need to find the Wikipedia article, I paid attention in school.
The companies participating in the current right-wing takeover are supporting fascists. The fascists are in power doing fascist things. None of these people are Nazis. If someone is serious about understanding what is happening in the US and how they can work to end it then they should, at the very least, understand the basic terminology of the topic.
Making provocative statements with simple minded black and white statements like ‘If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi’ is ignorant, even if it gets upvoted. It’s spreading ignorance instead of knowledge, it is literally misinformation.
They’re fascists.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean Paul Sartre
If you are arguing over the meaning of a word, then you’re missing the whole point. I’ve seen this whole argument play out 1000 times in the last several years, it goes nowhere.
Meaning and definition are objective conditions, but not in the way we are taught to think. Rather than “websters dictionary defines Nazi as…” you gotta understand that definitions and meaning are decided by power.
In these spaces, there is muddle headedness about many political topics, no doubt this is one. I’ve studied really good arguments about why its important to be accurate in our assessment of fascists, one of the best ones being that when a movement is misidentified as being fascist it creates confusion among regular people which aids fascists taking power. I think some of those effects/consequences are present in our society.
But are you fighting the right battle here? With these people?
I think your arguments are unconvincing and coming from a place of frustration. If you want to prove your point you have to actually prove it. And to do that you have to do more than say like “I paid attention in school.” In case you haven’t noticed, schools aren’t doing too great, and don’t exactly teach the unvarnished truth. It is a very politicized curriculum in a depoliticized environment where you start each day pledging allegiance to the same flag Trump admin fascists earnestly and tearfully wrap around their $5000 sharkskin shoulders
Words and facts have meaning. Reality isn’t some malleable thing you can twist for political advantage.
This kind of rhetoric, caring more about political “winning” than reality, is toxic to any political movement. Look at what happened to the right when they let these kinds of people into the majority. Lies are nearly exclusively the tools that they use to manipulate their base.
Once you’ve untethered yourself from reality and are living in a world of memes and spin, you can be convinced to support anything. Anyone who promotes this kind of pragmatic misinformation isn’t helping, it’s making the left more like MAGA.
I don’t need to prove that they’re not Nazi’s. Nobody actually thinks they are a 1930s political party from Germany. Everyone has just accepted that it’s better to get a rhetorical win than to address reality. They are wrong.
No, you misunderstand me. When we define things purely objectively, especially language, then we are not dealing with reality. The meaning of words is inherently political, it is about power. This is obvious.
10 years ago, “woke” was a strictly leftist term. But the meaning has changed because of politics and power, it at least has a double meaning now. The fact is, reality isn’t purely objective, it is objective and subjective. Being overly objective is just as much an error as being overly subjective.
A relevant example is the history of Italy. Italy was divided until the risorgimento period in the 1800s. Previously it was all cut up into feudal city states that each had separate local dialects. It is a perfect study in how language and meaning spreads via political power. What is considered the Italian language is actually the Florentine dialect, since Florence served as the political capital of Italy after the unification. Political movements throughout this period focused on reactionary education to spread their political agendas. Millions of illiterate Italians were taught to read, write and speak the Florentine dialect.
Why do Americans speak English instead of Cherokee, Sioux, Catawba or Navajo? Domination and perpetuation of class interests embodied by settler colonists.
Its well understood that history is written by the winners, but the same is true for dictionaries.
I actually agree with you a lot more than a lot of the people arguing with and down voting you. If you look further down in the thread, where someone says that political rhetoric is more important than accuracy, I disagree with them. I am very concerned with keeping our analysis as close to real conditions as possible. But confusing reality with pure, static, positivist objectivity is just another form of idealism.
Effective rhetoric is more important than accuracy
Inaccuracy in political ideas creates confusion which fascists can use to seize power. What is needed is radical liberating education, not rhetoric. We don’t beat the oppressor by becoming like him.
Definitely a time and place for rhetoric, polemics, bending the stick. But its not across the board more important, its a tactic not a strategy
Misinformation for tactical purposes is still misinformation.
There’s already one party that’s willing to rewrite facts and misrepresent arguments in order to advance their ideology. Anyone who’s okay with becoming untethered to reality in order to “win” is part of the problem no matter which side of the political spectrum they’re on.
They are not all nazis. But they don’t mind nazis. They hang out with nazis, they vote for nazis and nazi defenders, but deep down they are really nice nazis.
“But he is a christian…”(My mom. Kirk Assassination)
Every time I talk to her, I picture the line from Dune Part 2. “This prochecy is how they enslave us” religion (in general) blinding people in faith it can get better for my team, as the bad guys rise to power.
The moment you let a single Nazi into your bar, you now run a Nazi bar. Or however the saying goes.
I’ve got a mostly left leaning family, but I’m close to calling the centrist ones Nazi’s to their face. See if that snaps them out of.
If ten people are at a table and a nazi walks up and sits at the table and nobody leaves what do you have?
You have a table of Nazis.
Half of your family are nazi supporters. It is impossible to be a decent person and be a republican.
Ignorance is a choice. Participation in politics is a choice. Being “dumb” is not a choice, but those things are. They are doing a horrible thing and someone should let them know that regularly for as long as they do that.
Look, I don’t believe that every republican voter I run into in the real world is a straight up Nazi.
if you are a republican … you are a literally associating with Nazis.
Wait a minute…this lesbian bar has no fire exits!
Ah that’s what it is
Enabling Nazis is being a Nazi
Not entry Republic is a nazi… But I’d say every nazi is a republican. (Only in the us, obviously)
Every Republican votes for Nazis so yeah actually I think they are Nazis.
Suddenly nazis everywhere?!? 🫲🍊🫱
Suddenly?
“There are good nazi’s on both sides”, is what Trump will eventually say, once the whole nazi thing becomes even more normalized by the complicit big media companies.
Well Nazis are socialists. It says so in their OG name: “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”
/s
There’ve been so many people who said this unironically, that sarcasm tag is doing work
Wait seriously? Did one?
I’m not surprised honestly. Fuck these people so hard.
Actually kind of surprised it was only one more.
One more so far
I’m surprised we are only up to two.
Pretty sure every republican chat group is a nazi chat group. They are just private
Oh I’m sure it’s far more than we are aware of.
Two that we know of.
I dunno, but I’d be more surprised if there weren’t more
Nazi chat is the norm at
4chan/p4chan/pol and /b. Since these are the fonts from which GOP staffers come, it only makes sense the same lingo would manifest in gov/pol forums as well./pol not /p
/p is photography. /pol is politics. I stand corrected.
I really wish I didnt know enough to correct that
We all wish that, my friend. We all do.
Thank you for sparing us the throat flaps.
Sorry, I didn’t know how to hentai pixelate it
Get over it? A lot of olds have them
I know of exactly zero old people other than Trump that have a neck vagina. Do you, perhaps, have one?
If I had a panny for every Nazi group discovered in 2025, I would have x pennies. Which is not a lot, but its disturbing/fuxkin scary it happened x times
Don’t obscure the nussy please.
And somehow fails.
