We need an archive link to this from this guy OR someone else verifying that this is true. I tried to find it, but couldn’t. I’ll give everyone a half an hour.
I now spent close to an hour trying to figure out Robinson’s political leanings, and as of right now the internet simply does not know.
This is the closest:
A public records database shows Robinson’s family resides in Washington, Utah, where Trump garnered support from 75% of voters in the 2024 presidential election. Robinson’s parents have Republican listed as their party affiliation, said public voter registration information, and they are considered active voters (each cast ballots in the 2024 election that gave Trump a second presidency).
Public records also indicated Robinson registered as a voter in Utah in July 2021 but was considered inactive and did not declare an affiliation to any party when he registered.
And then there’s a lot of talk about bullet engravings which leave me very confused. How can you engrave “If you’re reading this you’re gay” - 26 characters onto a single bullet? Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation. We simply do not know yet, and we might never know 100%! He’s conflicted, that much seems clear.
IMHO most timely and objective article as of right now: LA Times
30.06 is a large bullet and the words were allegedly written on the cases of the bullets, not the rounds themselves. Good to be skeptical but a fine point Sharpie could get 26 characters on there if you had small handwriting or did multiple lines or whatever.
Yup. And you could probably engrave it with a nail, so the barrier here is pretty low, but it would probably take an hour or so to engrave a simple message because it’s kinda hard.
If you’re reading this you’re gay
If you’re reading this you’re gay, LMAO…
Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation.
Really?
I don’t know what the commenter meant, but my guess would be that they meant the statement could’ve been a lighthearted joke or homophobic and it isn’t clear which.
it’s 4chan drivel, i called it from the text alone even before the Nick Fuentes angel
“IfURReadngthisURG”
It’s tighter but gets the same message across
“URG? Must be trans ideology…”
- the FBI, probably
I assume you mean proof as to the claims.
But just in case if you mean the tweet being made and made by that account, it is still up and I made an archived version of it.The account claims to be
journalist […] TYT.com Rebel HQ. Previously anchored for MSNBC + AJAM
I’m going to leave this up and let you all decide if this is true or not. He hasn’t been confirmed as this journalist, but x is a POS organization, so everyone gets to decide for themselves.
I trust David Shuster as a journalist, but I personally really would prefer more evidence.
It’s not checkmarked as officially him though. It’s not that I’m doubting the journalist, we don’t know if this is him.
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I’m hearing the shooter had a trans girlfriend from a right wing friend of mine, but I can’t find proof, does anyone know what he’s talking about?
I highly doubt that, that sounds like something conservative media would make up and people would repeat far too much.
Here’s the relevant casing message:
Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?
It’s possible he’s talking about personal experience, it’s also possible he’s just spreading hate. We don’t know which it is, and we probable won’t until the investigation gets further along.
I googled “Kirk Shooter Trans Girlfriend”, but the only media I could find reporting it were Fox News and New York Post, and the latter admitted the person in question was neither trans nor the shooter’s lover, just that they were “Cooperating with the FBI”
The NYP was especially vile as it just went on about how great of a guy Kirk was, paradoxically claiming Kirk was practicing love and kindness by being openly transphobic. How Orwellian.
Eh, I wouldn’t call it Orwellian. It’s pretty well l own that Fox News isn’t really news (local fox news channels are, just not the national “Fox News,” which is “news entertainment”). Likewise, the NYP is pretty awful and slanted.
It would be Orwellian if all the major networks were saying the same, wrong thing.
No. It’s likely he’s just repeating some propaganda. There’s been a lot of accusations with no proof and this is probably another one.
Apparently Right Wing Media is reporting he had a trans girlfriend. But I can’t find any trustworthy sources.
Even the New York Post article I read says that the person was neither his girlfriend or even trans (but totally considering it)
Mostly the article spun its wheels saying how much Kirk practiced love by hating transpeople. Because war is peace don’t you know…
Some marking on the bullet got around, I think it was TRN but that’s the manufacturer of the bullet if it’s accurate. Apparently that is, I willI will say cause there’s been so much crap about this douche being killed it’s muddying any real info. Also read that the manufacturer doesn’t make bullets for that caliber (30 odd 6? For a hunting rifle, I don’t know guns well but know it’s a hunting type still) so I really dunno and I did not look into that so need to check that out if it’s important to the story. I only saw the the manufacturer didn’t make that caliber from a single comment but read many with the bullet marking and one mentioned the pic going around is a 9mm.
Don’t take my word for this Ive just been reading about the story, but it’s what I’ve gleened from them all.
It appears he was just a more extreme right wing person than even the deceased is and that provoked him into action. Seems likely from due to how easily they’re (extreme right wing) provoked in general.
We have specific wording. The most relevant is, “Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?”
That has been reported by the governor of Utah, and Gov. Cox is actually pretty hesitant to repeat nonsense, unlike other governors in very red states. He actually seems to care a bit about trans people, at least trans kids, and I wonder if maybe he has someone in his family who is trans.
I hope that helps. If you want to find the others, just look up “Kirk casings messages” on whatever media source you trust.
Just a slight correction, it’s “thirty ought six” or “30-06” where thirty is the caliber(diameter of projectile) and ought six is the year the military adopted it. Not that that makes much difference, I’m just a nerd.
I appreciate the correction I always heard odd not ought but probably cause I heard it much, much younger heh. Grew up in a small town in Canada so was just thinking how I heard it (seriously all these years heard 30 odd 6 in my memory), maybe our accent too. Have a good one, appreciate the knowledge! Always a good day when you learn something new, doesn’t happen as often these days.
You’re pretty metal homie 🤘
It’s kinda tiring everyone trying to figure out what a psychopath was.
Why? I think it’s useful to try to prevent a repeat.
There are solutions to stopping repeats but this Government will not pass them.
A very deep sigh of relief was uttered by me, but then turned into a groan of frustration, because all those right wing nutcases who were calling for the heads of all leftists are now again demanding sympathy. Fuck them.
Those who REFUSE to offer empathy, can’t reasonably expect it in return.
remember, Charlie Kirk did not believe in empathy, so fulfill his wishes and do not have any for him
Charlie was a pain in the neck.
At least he started to lean left at the very end
This is the full quote.
No, don’t “oh that’s still bad”, you thought all the people repeating half of the quote weren’t lying to you with the specific goal of justifying murder. Classic brown shirt behavior.
Sympathy is for something that happened. Empathy connects you to others and prevents the need for sympathy. That being said, where’s the full quote on “a woman’s place is under her husband’s thumb.” Or him calling for the release and exoneration of the dude who attacked Nancy pelosi’s husband?
Something something brown shirts?
They flop around more than a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.
I’m still thinking a lot of those “people” are just “bots”
Time to get un-relieved because this is fake (as discussed in other comments).
… Am i the only one who was hoping to find out what the hell a “groyper” is somewhere in this thread? Sounds like something I don’t want in my search history.
The Google search data blew up about that topic.
It’s a right-wing group by Nick Fuentes. A combination of edge lord shit and believing the the right isn’t pushing even harder.
They loved Trump until they didn’t. And honestly, it’s kind of ironic watching Frankestein’s monster go wild.
Nick Fuentes’ community. They’re just Nazis trolls.
MAGA shit: the more right the shooter the more it proves how much the left has brainwashed him. Not a good look for liberals.
“You woke libs. Your message of peace, tolerance, and wanting the best out of everyone made this man into a violent murderer.”
By Monday Maga will have “proof” that he was a post transition furry.
They are already saying he had a trans ex. Must be nice to make up your own world as you see fit. Notice how an actual leftist (Mario’s brother) actually took out some of consequence, and not just a talking head?
Everything I know about Charles kirkenbitch is against my will. If the media never mentioned this, I would have never known he got taken out. But he is still just a talking head. Speed you who right winged people think are important (read; the ones they pay attention to)
The thing that really got me is that anyone believes the thing about the bullet casings being engraved at all. That’s the kind of detail that’s just too easy to fabricate, and I can’t believe I bought it when they said the United Healthcare killer engraved HIS bullets. There’s no way for any news source to be sure which bullets actually came from the gun; also, wouldn’t evidence like that be kept secret by the police?
I dunno maybe I’m too paranoid, I just believe literally nothing from any media outlet anymore; they’re all owned by Larry Ellison’s kid
I just refuse to live in a world where feds came up with the phrase “notices bulges OwO what’s this” and thought “yeah if we say the bullets had that written on them, it will demonize the left!”
The WSJ said there was stuff written on the bullets, and shortly afterward walked their statements back, so you are right to be skeptical
I don’t buy the engraving story, with Luigi it kinda made sense cause it was one word per bullet, and that was logical to me. But a full setence on a bullet? Not buying it.
Does it really matter?
The 30-06 casing is pretty big, and has about 2"/50mm of space before it tapers down to where the bullet is. There’s plenty of space for a short message, and you could probably engrave it with a nail. I’m guessing it would take a couple hours to engrave four bullets, which is totally feasible.
We have specific messages, and the benefit to lying about it is incredibly low, so why bother?
They falsely claimed the “engravings” were something to do with “trans ideology,” so the benefit is whipping up more hatred.
I think there’s a good chance it’s a misunderstanding of the evidence early on.
Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?
I think this can be taken either as supporting or not supporting trans people. It could also be a furry thing. If you combine with the other engravings, esp the “Bella ciao” one, it definitely seems like leftist messaging.
I personally think he’s on the right wing. The far right also opposes Trump, and targeting Kirk seems like a natural thing in that case. I don’t think a leftist radical would though, because they care less about individual action and more about collective action. If anything there is leftist, it’s ironically leftist just to spite Kirk even more. That tracks with the “if you’re reading this you’re gay” message, the engravings seemed to be intended to amuse the shooter, not send a message.
Using Hanlon’s razor, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”, I think it’s likely they misinterpreted the evidence, not that they intentionally misdirected the public.
Trump is obviously motivated to point the finger at the left because his party isn’t looking so hot for the next election. That makes sense to me. But the FBI doesn’t seem to have that same motivation, they want to catch the suspect, and providing information early is important for that in a case like this. Utah is very conservative, so if the shooter is a leftist, that dramatically reduces the search pool.
Anyway, that’s my guess here. I guess we’ll see as more information is reported whether he’s likely a leftist or far right extremist.
I disagree, the benefit to lying about it was huge at the moment of the lie, and I definitely don’t put it past the fascists at the WSJ to fabricate this
The benefit is really low?
Those “engravings” have been used in the last 48 hours to call for a civil war. I’m unsure what you mean with “benefits” to one side being “low” here
It means the messages aren’t specific to any one movement. It seems like wasted effort if they were going to slot him in to any category, since they’re open to interpretation as either ultra right wing memes or antifacist memelord quotes. Depending on the news source, they are being interpreted differently.
Or, maybe “they” made it intentionally occlusive to avoid a civil war. Because let’s face it, the right were calling for a violence before the casings even came out. Hell, they were calling for violence before the shooting, too.
My take is that since the public just wholesale bought the story about the UHC CEOs murderer engraving 9mm bullets, someone at WSJ (owned by Rupert/Lachlan Murdock, known Nazis and accelerationists) decided “hey let’s tell everyone these bullets had engravings too” and intentionally left the “messages” on the bullets vague enough to go either way. Once it was out there, people ran with it cause it sounded plausible.
Oh, I agree. I’m not sold on them even existing, either. But I’m debating available reported evidence.
My new personal, not totally serious, conspiracy theory is: They are real, Tyler is an edgy memelord with no affiliation, and someone at one of these organizations shoehorned the Groyper connection because they own Groyper Coin.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But we’re in a platos’ cave of media lies just trying to figure out what the shapes mean.
We have specific messages though, they were reported yesterday IIRC, after they arrested their primary suspect. It would be pretty incredible for them to completely fabricate the messages as well as have Utah’s governor believe them.
“A Plato’s cave of media lies” LOL too fucking true, they’ve figured out how to propagate lies everywhere simultaneously
I fucking knew it! I said it before that he was going to be killed by a far right jackass because he wasn’t far right enough!
Is kirk beavis or butthead?
Ah nvm, he’s butthead…
Anus neck
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Call me cynical, but I’m convinced that the MAGA mouthpieces all knew full well from the start that the balance of probability was that it would be one of their own.
They knew they’d have maybe 48 hours max to flood all outlets and social media with stories of it being a suspected trans activist, so that by the time the truth came out the story would already be old news and people would be fatigued and just remember that there was some uncertainty over his motives.
But his trans ideologies!!!
I have not watched the video yet (nor do I plan to), but it’s easily enough still online. I don’t think this one is as forgettable considering it was live streamed basically.
I think Kirk is already forgotten. We’re dealing with a talking point like Mr Potato Head going woke or Gulf of Mexico. If it’s popular the topic sticks around. But nobody cares about Kirk, the actual person who lived and had various opinions.
Maybe the shooter thought they had been hidden on a microchip in Charlie’s neck and just wanted to let them out
No matter how far to the right you are there will always be someone more right than you and will kill you for being too leftist.
Didn’t Spencer Cox even say that he is shattered that the shooter was “one of us” (read: white male) and not an immigrant? Like on TV, not in a cocaine-fueled xitter rant post.
Edit: Found it
I think he also meant Mormon. IIRC the shooter’s family is Mormon.
I will never be able to get over how this frightened, insecure 11 year old in an adult costume presents himself on camera:
he constantly on cocaine.
The investigation is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear right now to whoever did this. We will find you. We will try you and we will hold you accountable to the furthest extent of the law. And I just want to remind people that we still have the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate. And that’s the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes. Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off ramp, or it’s going to get much much worse.
Incredible the difference a day can make.
Source? Who said the second thing?
The second quote is from 13:20 in the video linked above me. https://youtu.be/WNWEwyPTh_M?t=800 if you’re lazy.
The first quote is from the same guy a day or two earlier, I found it transcribed in a fox news article and won’t go looking for it again.
Oh sorry. I didn’t want to watch a video so I didn’t realize the quote was from it. Thanks
Governor Cox of Utah. his big schtick is lecturing people about reaching across the aisle for civility while still being abrasive and maga half the time
What a pathetic excuse for an elected leader. Almost crying because the shooter was “one of them” and not their fake “enemy”.
“Where is my straw man I ordered off Amazon?”
pulls off the mask a la Scooby Doo
“Another right wing gun nut?!”“And I’d have gotten away with it too!”
I don’t understand why he’s trying to spin it like people from Utah are exceptional people for not rioting and burning cars. The guy was a grifting YouTuber. It’s not like the president died.
The people who make it a regular habit to attack others because of who they are, yet also somehow have a persecution complex, find it pretty easy to assume that when one of their own gets attacked it’s because of who they are too. It’s like a damned street gang that’s looking for a fight. “One of themmmm killed one of ussss, time to counter attack! To waaar!”
“… oh shit THAT bullet was from our side TOO? I think nobody noticed. Can we get this party started or what!?”
It’s as gross as it is predictable. Their reactions to these shootings always follow the same rule: a member of the master race killing one of the subhumans is just an unfortunate fact of life, but one of the subhumans killing a member of the master race merits national if not global headlines that will at minimum be memorable trivia for people who lived through that year.
And I say this as an old white dude.
"That’s just the spark son. The excuse we’ve been waiting for. America’s wanted this war for years. "
They were going to make any attack on anyone an excuse for more violence on their part.
He absolutely said that and tried to make it seem like he was talking about him being an Utah citizen.
Wow, he actually said that shit
He looks so small
the face of 24/7 binge on cocaine.
he looks more like a dimetripper
Not cancelled, delayed. The screeches about this being a left wing plot going back decades haven’t gotten rolling yet. The far right’s civil war will be back on by suppertime.
Right on schedule.
Release the Epstein files.
Helldivers 2 came out in 2024. Was he in high school when he was 21?!??
aye, smells like bullshit, me son.
The guardian retracted this
Of course it did. 🧐😆
Wtf is a groyper? Stop making up words. I can’t keep up with this shit.
I had to look “groyper” up too.
I think I’ve hit that point in aging where I just have to embrace being that antique family member and start asking my kids, nieces, and nephews what the slang means as new words get rolled out.
They are a neonazi christian nationalist group led by Nick Fuentes, who was known to have a long-standing feud with Charlie Kirk. To give it more context, these people are so far right that they view Charlie Kirk as liberal.
This is all funny to me because Fuentes is kind of a Latino sounding name…
That’s because he is a Latino Neo Nazi
I’m just saying… Alligator Alcatraz doesn’t discriminate ideology.
Nazis ain’t that bright
Also you misspelled Auschwitz
To be clear I was saying I hope the leopards will eat his face.
Given the new supreme court ruling and the ICE ruling I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody pulled a hyundai factory on fuentes.
So is Pinochet, which the MAGA idolize.
It’s just short for piece of shit.
We already have an acronym for that.
is there a real source for this or just some twitter guy?
Some Twitter guy has multiple awards for journalism, I’m inclined to give him some benefit. But I would like someone to provide an official statement.
Citations or GTFO because we should always check for sources especially in this day and age, awards or not.
You’re not wrong. Just highlighting he at least has some credibility beyond the average xitter poster.
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No I don’t think he’s the us president…
It’s just speculation. No real motive has been determined. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-12/what-we-know-about-the-suspected-killer-of-charlie-kirk
LA Times wrote this less than 15 minutes ago:
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
The only things in writing are the words etched into the bullets, and those are mixed. He wrote an anti-fascist statement on a bullet casing and other text on others, but nothing to indicate he had liberal or conservative ideologies. If anything, he appeared to be mostly mad at the whole system.
Honestly with this administration, I have a difficult time believing any evidence they provide. The head of the FBI is a fucking podcaster who was able to lie profusely to the point that he caught Trump’s attention. That must take a lot of lying.
He wrote an anti-fascist statement on a bullet casing
No, he wrote Helldiver’s 2 and groyper memes.
Hey, fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓
Is for this: https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Eagle_500kg_Bomb
They say the truth can’t get it’s pants on before a lie made it around the world, but I love Lemmy cause mfers come with sources within minutes or hours
When I first heard about the three arrows, I thought it was a reference to the iron front. This is so much lamer.
How do you get more explicitly anti-fascist than ‘Hey fascist catch (a bomb)’ and bella ciao?
“Notices bulges OwO what’s this?” is used within the groypers to make fun of furries, as well as when they are (ugh I hate that I’m about to say this word) “transvestigating”, which is when they “investigate” whether someone is trans or not. Also see “If you read this, you are gay LMAO”
Bella ciao is also used ironically within the groypers.
If it was the only thing there… Sure. Its not though, its one of several things, which all have one very specific context - groypers.
Context is always important.
Edit: Forgot to add - with Helldivers 2, the joke is you’ve got fascists dropping bombs while saying they are dropping bombs on fascists. Again, a meme reference for groypers.
In the game where that code is from, you play as a human soldier fighting for a starship troopers-esque over the top obviously fascist but played for laughs Super Earth Government, and they routinely call the bug aliens fascist while calling in bombing runs on them.
Good question. I’ll show you something then you decide or you want to dive into it further. It mostly far-right meme shit and doesn’t make a lot of sense for outsiders.
80 years as one of the most recognizable anti fascist anthems vs some random Spotify playlist. Surely he referenced it because it carries the same weight as ASTRO - Slowed Opium Remix.
I’d like to raise a few points:
- Conservatives are media illiterate.
- Deeply online groypers live under 16 layers of irony at all times.
- Fascists love pretending that they’re actually heroes fighting the real fascists who want to give people free bread. To a lot of Americans, communist and fascist are the same word.
I can’t tell you if bella ciao is a popular alt-right meme because I don’t hang out with them, but I can tell you it’s far from impossible.
100+ $ che guevara tshirts
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There is a post on front page of Reddit that said shooters granny said he was maga on her Facebook page but I did not see any proof of it one way or other.
Edit post is here now too
To be fair, my own granny died thinking I was still a card carrying Republican. Sometimes you don’t tell Grandma you are a godless liberal. The old folks don’t really need to know everything. Christmas gets kinda awkward if you do.
I am almost 70 grannies and such are long gone. I get to be a godless liberal with no side eye.
Most articles actually said the complete opposite of what this shitter post claims.
Cox said: “The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10, and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.”
There was a mention of how “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate”.
Most articles also say that one of the bullet casings had a “bella ciao” engraving which could be false flag but also could be real.
Bella ciao is in a number of these far right guys’ playlists.
Not to mention the stuff on the casings was specifically antifascist.
Not really, the “hey fascist, catch” one is from helldiver’s 2, where the satirical fascist human soldiers ironically call the bug aliens they fight fascists. The arrows are the code to call in an airstrike.
This dude was putting his groyper memes on his bullets
Helldivers 2 is popular, but I’m more focused on the Bella Ciao lyrics. Seems pretty obscure for a surface level imitation of antifascists.
Apparently there’s a remix version all over the groyper playlists they share.
FWIW, there’s plenty of alt-right “advice” out there to use left wing messaging if someone decides to do something stupid. It’s potentially a tactic to misdirect and frame the violence.
casings can very easily be planted. that shouldn’t be convincing taken on its own.
That’s what I’m waiting to see. We have to be patient.
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Turns out people with morals, on average, don’t like killing. Um, sorry you’re mad about it?
This isn’t the type of “action” the left-leaning population tends to take. Violence begets violence.
That is extremely unfortunate for the left.
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are we seriously removing these types of comments and banning people for them here? most of us left reddit to escape this type of over bearing moderation and censorship. Not a good look at all.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER. (-- edit: i’m disgusted that people actually disagree with this sentiment. if you don’t think you should be able to disagree with people here you should report this comment and moderation should fucking ban me because i dont want to be here.)
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They said “hey hey, ho ho” right before “Donald Trump has got to go” so I don’t know how you can say that didn’t do anything…
Some of them even had SNARKY SIGNS.
