Not one should be concerned with what the spoiler class of the DNC wants

I mean you already worked your darndest to throw one election to the Republicans, why shouldn’t we expect you to do a second.

The “Centrist” is the least reliable voter in Democratic tent and we lose elections thinking these toxic POS are able to be relied on

Go full populist, go full progressive, you’ll win. Cater to the Blu MAGA contingent again, you’ll lose.

If she even comes close to trying again she’s gonna get ratiod so hard.

Put him in the clink for 72 hours.

i should run a crypto scam

Seems to be another UNH one.

The UNH one was earlier in the week. This is a more recent RNSC one?

I’m trying to drill down and find the data from the poll, and I dig and I dig and I dig.

I can’t find the original poll published anywhere or the data.

Update: quite literally the only place I can find this is a screenshot on twitter.

If any Canadians are uh… interested…

I’m pretty sure any fire suppression systems are necessarily disabled during construction.

Like explain how doubling down on the consolidation of executive power mitigates the rise of fascism?

Jfc you are not only insufferable with a utterly terrible political read, you also lack reading comprehension.

I’m not making a judgement about the consolidation of executive power: I’m accepting where things actually are instead of the fantastic world you wish existed. The fact is the US government in the previous 20 years has transformed such that there is an exceptional consolidation of power in the executive. That simply is.

Then you try and misrepresent it as advocacy.

AND THIS is why I approach these conversations these ways, because it gets you to put yourself on display. You’ve got nothing when it comes to the merits and when your bag of tricks trying to fool people is empty, you go back to personal attacks.

Its exactly why people need to dismiss you.

I think spending a decade restoring the balance between the executive and other branches is the best path forward.

Yes, because you have a terrible read of politics and this political moment. Your view is an anachronism and its incredibly important that people learn to ignore and dismiss views like yours. Its this exact kind of trepidation that leads to candidates like Hillary 16, Biden 24, Schumer, Jeffries: Its a failed approach to electoralism, and while it was the dominant paradigm for several decades (77-2008), its now a knife that cuts against a party or candidates or political movements ability to win.

And, the most important thing we can be doing right now is shuttting down people who approach politics from this angle. They are incredibly dangerous to the ability for the Democratic party to win. They get to split the difference between “caution” which always comes across as being more reflective, yet never having to show the receipts for their approach.

Digging past your terrible communication style…

I can tell you this, that its not on accident, and if you want to have a conversation on the effectiveness of approach we can, but I consider it an aside to this current topic. I consider your approach to be the most significantly harmful thing to American politics, in existence, after it handed the presidency to Trump in 2016. Trump and other fascists are some of the most beatable candidates in the history of elections, but this anachronistic perspective, its literally the only thing they can beat. So its not just a matter of how well discourse follows the polities of the past; its that an approach to politics which continues to fuel fascism is incredibly dangerous, and needs to be pushed back on with the most extreme dialectic possible. Gloves are off.

You don’t know Pritzker so you obviously only have a superficial understanding of the political landscape (genuinely surprising because he’s in the news constantly right now). Its also clear that you are operating under an understanding of politics and electorism that loses elections. Its a species level threat to continue operating under that perspective. Expect incredible push-back when your viewpoint inadvertently sponsors fascism.

To the matter at hand:

I think spending a decade restoring the balance between the executive and other branches is the best path forward.

You seem to have the perspective that given the consolidation of executive branch power the path forward is to use that immediately to affect change.

I think spending a decade restoring the balance between the executive and other branches is the best path forward.

You don’t/ won’t have the time. You are talking about a kind of long-term political project that takes decades. And the powers that be which you are advocating for, have already had decades to do so and have done nothing. So your argument is effectively the same as every other liberal, which is “use the system, trust the process, give it time”. However, it is now clear that time is working against us. And this is an example of the exact kind of anachronism I’m talking about. Its an assumption about mechanisms and abilities a party might have had in the US system 30-40 years ago, but which simply isn’t present in the current moment.

You seem to have the perspective that given the consolidation of executive branch power the path forward is to use that immediately to affect change.

No I’m acknowledging the reality of the political moment and the total restructuring of power which happened from 2000- now. The fact is that both the judiciary and the legislative have handed the executive basically unlimited power. There is no power in the senate or the house at this point. You want to make changes? You need the executive and not much more.

I mean its still relevant in that it shows Jeffries extraordinary triangulating, and complete inability to both read the political moment, and then adapt to it. This hurts Jeffries even more than just not doing anything.

What a complete fucking 🤡

This whole drama only hurts Jeffries, who won’t have a job in government come next election cycle.

No. Liberals are all cowards and will just have to suck it up and vote D.

Catering to liberal cowardice does nothing to expand the electorate.

Seriously. A bland corporate candidate who gave the opposition two decades of lead time to build up an opposition strategy. One of the worst candidates to have run of all time.

The greater risk isn’t misogynist republicans IMO, it’s misogynist liberals who will cynically use her gender and ethnic background as examples of her unelectability instead of addressing their opposition to her populist agenda.

Spot on.

Yeah they aren’t powerful enough to stop candidates any more.

Things have changed.

Its important to be dismissive of things which should be dismissed.

The higher priority is in winning the presidency, and regardless of what the constitution once said it was interpreted to mean, having an executive with the same political and ethical priorities as myself is of the highest priority. This is coupled with them being of the kind of person, like FDR, who be willing to assert the kind of executive authority established under Trumpism.

It is now established in the US that both the Congress and the judiciary are secondary authorities to the executive branch.

A meek, milquetoast Democrat, or a greasy centrist, or yet another billionaire, taking office and just trying to glaze over and return to a neo liberal business as usual would be disastrous for this country. We need bold reforms and it’s not going to come through the legislative when the scope of executive powers have been expanded as such There are plenty of adequate Democrats to fill this Senate seat, it’s not one that the DNC is at risk of losing. Democrats, however, have not been effective at winning the presidency.

AOC being effective 20 years from now is of almost no value because timing is everything. Also, it’s clear to me that Bernie has been grooming her for a Presidential run now for several years. He’s handing off the reigns to the movement he built. AOC has been tossed around as a potential presidential candidate since her first upset. She the obvious progressive pick.

Right now in the mix for 2028 the three names available to you are Newsom, Pritzker, and AOC. There are boomers and Jefferies and Buttegiegs of the world that might throw their names in, but they are way lower down the tier list.

Your perspective seems to be based largely out of parochial thinking that you know best where AOCs skills and aptitudes should be deployed, and that the"true power" of the government lay in the Senate. I don’t think your opinions are with soit because you are ignoring the entirety of the context of the current political landscape and the entire redefinition of the structure of power which has happened under Trump. Thankfully though, like I’ll be doing, opinions like yours will be recognized as the anachronism that they are by the politically savvy, this be dutifully ignored.

pot of coffee every day