I’m amazed it’s only $800. I figured that shit was gonna be like 8-10 thousand.
Yeah, I expected it to level out around $800 after a few years, not out of the gate. 20TB are still $300 ish new.
Me who stores important data on seagate external HDD with no backup reading the comments roasting seagate:
This hard drive is so big that when it sits around the house, it sits around the house.
This hard drive is so big when it moves, the Richter scale picks it up.
This hard drive is so big when it backs up it makes a beeping sound.
Is it worth replacing within a year only to be sent a refurbished when it dies?
Use redundancy. Don’t be a pleb.
That’s a lot of porn. And possibly other stuff, too.
Nah, the other stuff will all fit on your computer’s hard drive, this is only for porn. They should call it the Porn Drive.
It isn’t as much as you think, high resolution, high bitrate video files are pretty large.
And possibly other stuff, too.
Ehhh don’t test me
Sorry but without a banana for scale it’s hard to tell how big it really is
36 Typical Bananas
28 plantains
That quite large then.
I wonder how many pictures of nude bananas you could fit inside??
I’m gonna need like 6 of these
monkey’s paw curls They’re SMR
Seems fine with a couple TB of SSDs to act as active storage with regular rsyncs back to the HDDs. This is fine.
The first copy of anything big will suck ass… and why else would you get a 36TB drive if not to copy a lot of data to it?
My primary storage use-case is physical media backups. I literally don’t care how long it takes to store, a bluray is 70GB and I’ve got around 200 of em to backup.
Does it really matter that much if the first copy takes a while though? Only doing it once and you don’t even have to do it all in 1 go. Just let it run over the weekend would do though.
no thanks Seagate. the trauma of losing my data because of a botched firmware with a ticking time bomb kinda put me off your products for life.
see you in hell.
Every manufacturer has made a product that failed.
I can certainly understand holding grudges against corporations. I didn’t buy anything from Sony for a very long time after their fuckery George Hotz and Nintendo’s latest horseshit has me staying away from them, but that was a single firmware bug that locked down hard drives (note, the data was still intact) a very long time ago. Seagate even issued a firmware update to prevent the bug from biting users it hadn’t hit yet, but firmware updates at the time weren’t really something people thought to ever do, and operating systems did not check for them automatically back then like they do now.
Seagate fucked up but they also did everything they could to make it right. That matters. Plus, look at their competition. WD famously lied about their red drives not being SMR when they actually were. And I’ve only ever had WD hard drives and sandisk flash drives die on me. And guess who owns sandisk? Western Digital!
I guess if you must go with a another company, there’s the louder and more expensive Toshiba drives but I have never used those before so I know nothing about them aside from their reputation for being loud.
Can someone recommend me a hard drive that won’t fail immediately? Internal, not SSD, from which cheap ones will die even sooner, and I need it for archival reasons, not speed or fancy new tech, otherwise I have two SSDs.
My WD Red Pros have almost all lasted me 7+ years but the best thing (and probably cheapest nowadays) is a proper 3-2-1 backup plan.
If you’re relying on one hard drive not failing to preserve your data you are doing it wrong from the jump. I’ve got about a dozen hard drives in play from seagate and WD at any given time (mostly seagate because they’re cheaper and I don’t need speed either) and haven’t had a failure yet. Backblaze used to publish stats about the hard drives they use, not sure if they still do but that would give you some data to go off. Seagate did put out some duds a while back but other models are fine.
The back blaze stats were always useless because they would tell you what failed long after that run of drives was available.
There are only 3 manufactures at this point so just buy one or two of each color and call it a day. ZFS in raid z2 is good enough for most things at this point.
Hard drives aren’t great for archival in general, but any modern drive should work. Grab multiple brands and make at least two copies. Look for sales. Externals regularly go below $15/tb these days.
Word for the wise, those externals usually won’t last 5+ years of constant use as an internal.
I’ve got 6 in a random mix of brands (Seagate and WD) 8-16Tb that are all older than that. Running 24/7 storing mostly random shit I download. Pulled one out recently because the USB controller died. Still works in a different enclosure now.
I’d definitely have a different setup for data I actually cared about.
but then wd and their fake red nas drives with smr tech?
what else we have?
Wait… fake? I just bought some of those.
they were selling wd red (pro?) drives with smr tech, which is known to be disastrous for disk arrays because both traditional raid and zfs tends to throw them out. the reason for that is when you are filling it up, especially when you do it quickly, it won’t be able to process your writes after some time, and write operations will take a very long time, because the disk needs to rearrange its data before writing more. but raid solutions just see that the drive is not responding to the write command for a long time, and they think that’s because the drive is bad.
it was a few years ago, but it was a shitfest because they didn’t disclose it, and people were expecting that nas drives will work fine in their nas.
I’ve had a couple random drop from my array recently, but they were older so I didn’t think twice about it. Does this permafry them or can you remove from the array and reinitiate for it to work?
Elaborate please?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/whats-behind-the-infamous-seagate-bsy-bug/
this thread has multiple documented instances of poor QA and firmware bugs Seagate has implemented at the cost of their own customers.
my specific issue was even longer ago, 20+ years. there was a bug in the firmware where there was a buffer overflow from an int limit on runtime. it caused a cascade failure in the firmware and caused the drive to lock up after it ran for the maximum into limit. this is my understanding of it anyway.
the only solution was to purchase a board online for the exact model of your HDD and swap it and perform a firmware flash before time ran out. I think you could also use a clip and force program the firmware.
at the time a new board cost as much as a new drive, finances of which I didn’t have at the time.
eventually I moved past the 1tb of data I lost, but I will never willingly purchase another Seagate.
In my case, 10+years ago I had 6 * 3tb Seagate disks in a software raid 5. Two of them failed and it took me days to force it back into the raid and get some of the data off. Now I use WD and raid 6.
I read 3 or 4 years ago that it was just the 3tb reds I used had a high failure rate but I’m still only buying WDs
I had a single red 2TB in an old tivo roamio for almost a decade.
Pulled out this weekend, and finally tested it. Failed.
I was planning to move my 1.5T music collection to it. Glad I tested it first, lol.
Thanks, yeah that makes sense.
Pretty sure I had a bigger hard drive than that for my Amiga. You could have broken a toe if you’d dropped it.
with this I can store at least 3 modern “AAA” games
Oh definitely, game sizes are getting extreme and I prefer smaller indie games now 🥲
More like zero, cause modern AAA games require an NVME (or at least an SSD) and this is a good old fashioned 7200 RPM drive.
Surely no games actually require a SSD?
A lot of modern AAA games require an SSD, actually.
On top of my head:
Cyberpunk, Marvel’s Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Space remake, Starfield, Baulder’s Gate 3, Palworld, Ratchet & Clank: Rift ApartCyberpunk literally has an HDD mode, I play it of an HDD every day.
With sufficient ram to load everything in you’ll just have longer load times, no hdd hitchiness
Both Cyberpunk and BG3 work flawlessly on the external USB hard drive that I use. The loading times suffer a bit, but not to an unplayable degree, not even close
Indeed, as others have said this isn’t a hard requirement. Anyone with a handheld (e.g. Steam Deck) playing off a uSD card uses a device that’s an order of magnitude slower for sequential I/O
It’s not a hard requirement.
But it is a hard drive requirement.
They stream data from it while you play, so if you don’t have an SSD you’ll get pauses in game play.
Sure, you might.
But Baulder’s Gate 3 for example, which claims to require an SSD in it’s system requirements runs just fine on a HDD.
It’s just the developer making sure you get optimal performance.
I can personally guarantee that it is a hard requirement for Spider-Man and Ratchet
That’s not how computers work, but sure bro.
Okay well try telling that to my computer when the games wouldn’t run without constantly freezing to load assets every few seconds.
Makes me shudder. I have to replace a drive in my array, because it is degraded. It’s a 4TB. Imagine having to replace one of these. I’d much rather have a bunch of cheaper drives, even if they are a bit more expensive per TB, because the replacement cost will eventually make the total cost of ownership lower.
Also, repeat with me: “Please give me a Toshiba or Hitachi, please”
Until you run out of ports or cage space 😂
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I wanna fuck this HDD. To have that much storage on one drive when I currently have ~30TB shared between 20 drives makes me very erect.
Average Lemmy user
Ain’t nothing about me is average except for the size of my cock.
Your array sounds pretty average to be fair
nephew
Is Seagate still producing shitty drives that fail a few days after the warranty expired?
Some models are quite a bit worse than average while some are on par with competition
Mine have been going strong for five years. Ironwolf Pros.
Hey, they told you how long they expected it to last 😅
Fair point. But still pretty bad. Literally two days after the warranty expired my Seagate drive was broken. This was my first and only Seagate drive. Never again.
Meanwhile my old Western Digital drive is still kicking way beyond it’s warranty. Almost 10 years now.
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Why did they make an enterprise grade drive SMR? I’m out.
Because they simply cannot do it otherwise.
That’s fine…they don’t need to release it under their Exos line of enterprise drives. SMR don’t do well in raid arrays especially not highly utilized ones. They require idle time to cleanup and the rebuild times are horrendous.
SMR is designed for enterprise raid that is SMR-aware.
I’m not aware of any open-source zoned storage raid but I think Ceph is planning to add support next month.
There are a number of enterprise storage systems optimized specifically for SMR drives. This is targeting actual data centers, not us humble homelabbers masquerading as enterprises.
humble homelabbers masquerading
LMAO!!
For affordable set it and forget it cold storage, this is incredible. For anything actively being touched, yeah definitely a pass.
