Look … not that I have anything against women running for president … but … if we haven’t learned twice from the shitty decision making of the voter population, 2028 is not the year to test if the US can get its first woman as president AGAIN. I’m going to chalk this up as democrats just can’t stand to win and the media needs to stop encouraging that line of thinking. We’ll be lucky if there even is a 2028 election. Also, did everyone forget AOC is not in the good graces of kingmaker Pelosi?
Pelosi looks like she’s one stiff gust of wind from keeling over. Fingers crossed.
NGL I’ll take any blue tie but we’ve already shown twice that Americans might actually prefer fascism over a woman in charge.
This is complete and total gatekeeping (actual sexism) bullshit that is frequently parroted but not actually analyzed with a modicum of depth, for one actually did, they would realize it has no bearing in reality. If anyone wants me to explain why, I will happily do so.
I voted for the female candidates, they both lost. The gender divide in congress is 7:18, only 28% of elected federal representatives are women. Gen Z voters were divided along gender lines between Trump and Harris. I don’t know how to fix this problem, but ignoring it is not the solution.
Exactly.
Americans chose a felon rapist clown fascist over HIGHLY qualified women. Twice.
America is not even close to being ready for a female president.
If we want to lose again, run a woman. That’s the shit reality in this shitty country.
Not to mention AOC is still “green”. Clinton was a Senator, a Secretary of State, and ex-first lady. Kamala was a VP. AOC is just a member of the House.
People need to stop fantasizing and get real. It’s also WAY too early to seriously be talking about this.
Idk if it’s too early to talk about it, but part of the process is definitely weighing the pros and cons.
I remember bullshit like this being spewed about Obama, too. “Obama is too green!” “a black man could NEVER be president. We have never had one before, after all!” (Or are you too young to remember that? I forget there are adults on here now who weren’t even 2-years-old when he was elected.)
… Cue him defeating 2 white successful men by large margins. Doh. Think this through and stop parroting wedge-driving sexist gatekeeping conservative propaganda.
Alright but Obama was a man, so
Also Hillary was a famously unpopular candidate and still won the popular vote, and there were maaaany confounding factors to a weak democratic race in 2024 apart from Kamala’s gender
She was at one point one of the most popular politicians in America, actually. She polled among the general population alongside Bernie Sanders. People decided she was awful once she started running for president and Social Media campaigns told everyone what to think about her.
at one point
Too bad that point wasn’t during her campaign.
My point being that no matter who we run there will be vicious smear campaigns attacking their character.
I don’t understand what people aren’t getting here.
The last two female candidates to run for president, who were extraordinarily more qualified than their opponent, were denied in favor of a felon rapist clown.
If that isn’t proof that this nation is not ready for a female president, I don’t know what is.
I voted for both those female candidates. I am not against a female president. But can we exist in reality for a moment and acknowledge that if we run AOC, we’re going to lose, again? Because America isn’t ready for that shit. You will not capture independents with a female candidate. You will not capture disenfranchised Trump supporters with a female candidate. You will not win. A mayoral race is not the same as a presidential race and Mamdani is a man and that’s the country we live in.
Nah, the Republiklan got Trump elected twice by rejecting reality and substituting it with their own. Reality isn’t winning elections anymore (hell, maybe it never was). People who inspire passion are. I would back AOC before another milquetoast Dem any day.
Plus, it wasn’t just “women candidates” who lost. Hillary had decades in politics for the Right Wing Propaganda machine to attack. And Kamala had literally no time to build up support. AOC on the otherhand is honestly quite popular amongst her constituency and progressives nationwide. She is someone people vote for.
I placed my votes for Kamala, Biden, and Hillary, but they were all votes cast because of Trump. It would be so fucking nice to cast a vote for the candidate I want to win again.
If the BIG Bill of Garbage passes, there are no more free elections.
Just passed the Senate by one vote. Back to the House for the finale vote, which is controlled by Republicans.
It’s over fam.
You can kiss this nation goodbye.
Now hunker down for the suffering and death that’s sure to follow.
This is what happens when you give conservatives power. Such a profoundly stupid nation of individuals.
AOC has already demonstrated her extreme willingness to fall in line for the DNC. She will not bring change.
Neoliberals are still openly hostile towards her.
Queen Neoliberal Pelosi spent more time in the lameduck period undermining AOC’s committee appointment than Trump’s Presidency.
That’s good enough for me as a leftist knowing the context that she really is about as left wing as our pathetic, deluded, propagandized, under or miseducated populace could ever elect as we are.
I don’t have any hope anymore, this nation died under Reagan and it’s just a slow falling corpse as far as I’m concerned, but for anyone looking to cling to at least borderline rational hope, someone in her position is your best bet, because she’s a known name, that matters in our shitty celebrity obsessed culture, she proves every day that a leftist can be professional and govern, that matters because leftists are painted as anarchist boogiemen without a plan in most American news media, and she’s photogenic and naturally charasmatic, which shouldn’t matter but sadly does.
There isn’t an individual to the left of her that I can think of that could conceivably get elected President in this cesspool of willful ignorance and systemically stoked division of the poors, can you? Even her becoming President would be a moonshot. That isn’t a knock on her, she’s one of about 4 members of congress (or executives in the fortune 1000) I’d give a glass of water to if they were dying of thirst, that’s a knock on our gold plated shithole and people, not her. She’s a diamond in the rough.
I disagree. Mamdhani has shown it possible to not compromise on basic human rights.
AOC has crossed the line and there is no going back. The mask cannot be put back on.
There is no harm in allying with her but she should not be the leader of the progressive movement.
She’s a diamond in the rough.
True. But she won’t win a presidential election.
I agree, but I don’t think there’ll be another real election here for a long time if ever, and I’d rather vote for her than another hypercapitalist enslaver with pride ribbons(D) to stop hypercapitalist enslaver with scapegoats® yet again as I’ve done my entire life in our descent to oblivion. There’s not really rational hope either way. The capitalists won and have us by the balls in every way, including tens of millions of deluded minds that have learned to love and defend the Massas and their “free market” directly against their own interests.
Climate change is going to end planetary scale civilization in 50 years max, probably 20-30. It’s blowing past all projections because we were conservative and both couldn’t and didn’t want to consider the runaway effects. I honestly think Kamala was my last pragmatic funeral dirge vote. Give me something to vote for and I’ll show up. I haven’t had a federal level candidate to vote for in a general in my entire life though. I doubt AOC will become the first after the DNC uses every lever to end any primary run.
No way AOC is getting anywhere near the Presidency unless there is a full scale revolution. Sad, but true.
Because there won’t be another election?
Also because both of our major party machines would cooperate in attacking her.
Neoliberals would rather lose power than signal to their bribers that their party isn’t bought and paid for. President Ocasio-Cortez would be such a signal.
The DNC promotes on the basis of potential federal level reps getting bribe money. AOC was a spoiler and is not welcome in the party because of her views. That’s why the Neoliberals in congress don’t care Trump is in office and even help him with appointments.
Neoliberals like Pelosi would lock arms with the Fascists and treat a President AOC like the threat we wished they’d treat their fascist opposition like, but they have too much in common on the same Economic policy they’re both well bribed to enact and protect from us.
Which is why, all the more, AOC is a good choice. The hatred of our true oppressors on Wall Street is welcome. At worst, it will further demonstrate that the American people aren’t permitted by big corpo to have a real choice in governance, only hypercapitalist robber baron enablers paid to divide us on social wedges as they legislate new ways for the owners to monetize sucking us dry.
Michelle Obama. Less baggage (for better or worse). More beloved.
Another neoliberal.
Whhhhaaaaa… So instead of an elected offical who has been making headlines weekly for the last 6 years, but the unelected wife of the president from 12 years ago?
No. Heck no. No more political dynasties.
Lol no.
Worse politics, plus her favorability would drop as soon as she became an active candidate.
God, americans are so naive. There won’t be fair elections anymore. You had your chance and you blew it! It’s over for your democracy.
It’s the Democrats. They still haven’t realized that the game is over. Nobody’s playing by the rules. Why would they start during an election?
It’s the Democrats.
It is Americans as a whole. 1/3 of then didn’t even bother voting.
They get what they have coming to them.
Yup.
Our system is fundamentally broken, but the bottom line is Americans failed. It was entirely possible for us to stop all this and we chose not to. Shit electorates make for shit countries.
We’re going to be circling the drain for the foreseeable future.
So long as the donor checks keep clearing, establishment Dems are happy to play spoiler for big business and let Trump destroy the country.
Until the money is worthless and they realize they’re the frog in the saucepan.
It’s the Democrats.
It’s the people blaming the politicians instead of doing something about it.
But almost no one cares until they get ICe’d. That’s human nature for you.Both are happening.
It’s important to understand what went wrong so when you with on a fix, you won’t make the same mistake.
People can both bitch about politicians and also help fix the problem.
The democrats have handed Trump the country on a plate. As a non American I’ve been saying the American “Empire” will fall eventually, I never thought it would be to a fascist, and with a wimper.
It is looking more and more like the election was stolen.
Edit: You are blaming Americans for screwing up the previous election becuase this next one will not be fair…when the last one you are blaming Americans for was already rigged.
there’s a reason for that.
It’s a sad but proven truth that the USA is not ready for a woman president.
I voted for both Hillary and Kamala. But I’m open minded. Too many Americans simply are not.
There is a clear prevailing consensus in the USA (not a correct or good consensus, but nevertheless it’s here) that woman should not be leaders. Even a large percentage of women believe in this.
We NEED to change the consensus. How do we change the consensus? It’s clear that pushing the envelope by making a woman the presidential candidate has not worked. The patriarchal front is dug in too deeply for such a frontal assault.
I believe the first woman president of the USA will be a woman VP who takes over after the president is removed, for whatever reason. A “side door” approach.
I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I think AOC running for the presidency will put another Republican in the White House.
Of course the US is ready. Hillary won the popular vote. Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Those idiosyncrasies are what made a felon rapist clown fascist win over highly qualified women…twice.
She won’t win. Enough people in the right geographical areas are simply not ready for a female president and will happily vote for a fascist instead to prevent it from happening.
It’s not a fluke that of the 3 times Trump has run, he has only lost to a man.
Welcome to America.
Kamala actually won the popular vote too. By a fairly small margin, but she still got more actual votes than Trump. But then there’s the electoral college… Our constitutional dinosaur that has now failed the American people 3 times in the last 7 elections.
Huh?
If you’re saying the reported numbers are inaccurate due to election fraud, fine. Absent that, you are mistaken.
That’s how Canada got its first female PM, and it has not resulted in any more. I don’t really think it’s going to have the feminist effect you are hoping for.
My honest opinion is that both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump because people wanted Trump. Biden won despite being a paper bag because people realized they hated trump. Then they forgot about it.
She has a lot going against her, even if people don’t think there’s a patriarchy issue.
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She’s very active politically and very vocal. Immediate resistance from conservatives.
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She is no friend to AIPAC. She’ll lose a good bit of the Jewish vote
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Policy-wise, she’s decently progressive. She’ll be easily demonized by the right-owned media.
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Voter Suppression. Even if we get a fair election, as soon as the right loses, they’ll martial law up and claim fraud, and you better believe they’ll find what they’re looking for if they have to make it themselves.
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One of my conservative friends (also a woman) said the same thing: women shouldn’t be in power. Stunlocked me for a second.
That’s why conservative women exist. There’s a known phenomenon where the victims of abuse are often the most vociferous defenders of their abusers.
Culturally you see this in things like the defenders of hazing but there’s plenty of science on the topic to back up the observation.
The thing about that, however, is those votes aren’t something you were going to win, ever, and it’s not something you should chase.
It’s religion, not politics, that does this to women
I think the only legitimate chance Democrats have is Luigi Mangione. You have to fight fire with fire. He’s young, smart, charismatic, from a well to do background, and not even a felon like our current president. Also brave unlike our Republican chickenshit losers. Sanders as running mate.
Luigi Mangione is fine. But he has no experience. What will he bring during discussions ? AOC is ok for president post. But she is not that popular. I mean even Bernie Sanders has not become president despite being in active politics for so many decades. But let’s see what will happen in USA after Trump steps down when his tenure gets over.
But he has no experience.
I’d argue he single-handedly saved thousands of lives via a single action, and if we let him do more, he could save many more.
Do you mean after his third or fourth term?
would that mean the US would have a good chance at having free/universal healthcare?
I’ll bet $1000 that we’ll slip into fascism unless we vote Mangione as a write in. Nobody else has the guts to stand up to these thugs. The guy is paraded around like he’s guilty, and stands tall. Sorry but not even AOC seems able to do anything but talk.
The democrat leadership did everything in their power to stop bernie in 2020 they will do the same against AOC
Agreed, no reason to give them reprieve. Let them try again and this time the gerontocracy is weaker then it has ever been.
It’s “Democratic” when used as an adjective.
Don’t use Rush Limbaugh-speak. (May he rot in hell.)
“I’m a Democratic” isn’t a good sentence.
“I voted for the Democratic candidate.” Accurate but feels off.
Simple. I’m voting AOC if her name is on the ballot. Take my vote AOC!
Hope you enjoy losing by not learning anything from the recent past.
No, I don’t. All I’m saying is she’s awesome. I propose that the people want someone who is different and probably the only people who are currently very public that people might want to vote for would be Bernie and AOC.
But probably new names would be best. New names that are not polarizing and that attract Republican vote. There have to be normal people who are currently Republican but would vote democrat if the right candidate came along. Why not test the waters now. See if AOC is electable if she’s not, then definitely do not look inside. Look for new people.
She is picking a fight with the billionaire oligarchs and unfortunately it seems like a losing battle. Democrats and republicans alike will campaign against her.
All the fucking second-order sexists here saying we can’t elect a woman because two of the worst female candidates ever lost.
These are the same people who said Obama couldn’t win because he was black. Not that they were racist, no they love black people, but they just want to make absolutely extra sure we don’t actually try to elect one. Because they imagine their neighbor/uncle/coworker would look at everything going on and think “none of that is important, no black presidents”. They’re not racist, they just advocate for racism. And with this most facile of analyses they’ll believe themselves to be politically savvy realists rather than reactionary children.
This is the cowardice that dooms liberalism. At every opportunity they want to worry about what their opponents will like and time after time will try to blame strategy or immutable characteristics for the failures of their do-nothing policies. Politics is about change. When people’s lives suck you don’t try to tell them we’ll keep doing the same things. And whether the person talking change is a charismatic black man or a clown show, or even… A FEEEMALE, they’ll vote for them.
because two of the worst female candidates ever lost.
One was a Senator, Secretary of State, and former first-lady. The other was a VP. AOC is just a member of the House and half the country wants to burn her at the stake for being so liberal.
She won’t win.
You’re not wrong. Obama won because he was a corporatist and easily manipulated and ran on empty slogans, so he had the backing of the mainstream. Harris did too, but AOC won’t have that backing.
That also means she could run on actual popular policies. Something Trump did. His voters now kinda got the same scam with him than the progressives got with Obama lol.
But there is deeply entrenched propaganda in the media and the minds of people. Like you’d need a movement that comes together. But you can see the liberals in this thread would balk at any tankie demanding and end to US or EU imperialism lol, just like they will balk at putting another women on the ticket.
…when i was growing up, my well-meaning parents pulled me aside to express their concern over a jewish friend dating a black friend; aghast at their comment, i immediately confronted them over its apparent racism, and they replied that they had nothing against it personally, but were instead concerned about what other people might think…
…they’re f*cking balls-out fascists fourty years later, and i want no part of them in my life…
…to anyone tempted to compromise their own best interests on behalf of what other people might think: don’t give them that kind of power over you, or they’ll drag you down in it…
Ah, I see you’ve met my mom. She’s overly concerned with the opinions of others, to my and my siblings’ detriment. Meanwhile, I have a “I don’t know them, why should I care what they think?” attitude, which made my youth with her so very fun /s.
Her brain is clearly still locked into an old society’s ways. The things she thinks would be humiliating are things that nobody would bat an eye at today, like wearing pajamas outside. She’s got her “hidden” racism too, of course. She’s made comments about my partners “having dark complexions.” I eventually went off on her, calling out her racist thoughts, and she’s shut up about it since. Or at least, she’s shut up about it when I’m around.
My ex wife is indian, I’m white, my kids are mixed race. When i lived in louisiana, my son’s pre-school teacher took me aside and told me “I’m not racist, I just feel bad for him. He’s not going to fit in because of his background”. She then segregated him from the rest of the class and sat him at a table where it was just him and one other non-white kid. the white kids were at other tables, physically pretty far from where he was sitting.
Fuck people who say shit like that. They’re absolutely just as racist as the overtly racist fascist pieces of garbage running the US.
Right now, the ticket I think has the best chance of winning is Buttigieg/AOC. I think the DNC knows they need to go younger and have someone who can stand up to a bully in an eloquent and calm manner that will win over reasonable people. And I think AOC probably knows that the only way the DNC is letting a democratic socialist on the ticket is if they fall in line a bit and not come off as a firebrand who has to fix everything with drastic change and would be willing to go incrementally in the left direction. The DNC would be wise to energize the Bernie youth vote they abandoned last election cycle, but they definitely won’t give her the keys or their blessing alone which blows. This ticket gives you appeal to the youth, to the rational elder folks like even my 70 year old lifetime republican father who hates trump, the gay community, city folk, country folk, and of course veterans too. Pretty solid combo if you ask me.
Buttigieg is one of the better politicians I’ve ever seen. He’s more well spoken than AOC. He’s more prepared for questions. Calmer.
But this is America.
There’s a very large swath of this nation in the right geographical areas that will never vote for a homosexual or a woman. Neither of them will win the Electoral College.
