I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
This is a bullshit without context.
Cutting off trade with Spain would mean cutting off trade with the whole EU.
So this is embarrassing non-news.
Only thing I saw in a German headline article at all about this topic was a comment about how Merz did not tell Trump that fact (again…🙄) directly at the mentioned meeting.
Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let’s hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain’t their friend and never was
The rest of europe is mostly right-wing.
Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.
Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.
They or their lack of participation put them there.
They can get them out too, now, if they want.
“Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice.”
You’re a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.
Eh, I say blame both. They’re sapient lambs.
You are not lamb without agency. You can change this if you actually wanted to.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s on the voters. Stop whining through another piece of philosophy.
“Don’t complain about your leaders. It’s your fault.” Is not the convincing argument you think it is.
The leaders the voters repeatedly put there
It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.
Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.
Just take some fucking responsibility.
It is also the voters yes but they are being deceived by the propaganda machine, idk at a certain point maybe the guys and gals actively stripping human rights from people and grabbing power can take a little blame
It’s the voters.
Sooner or later responsibility needs to be taken and excuses stopped.
No, the voters should take the blame for putting them there repeatedly. They won’t though…blame elsewhere, look elsewhere for a lifeline, do it all again.
Ah Spain, can we interest you in some Canadian products instead?
I found OJ from Spain at Costco last week
Traitor
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Was a joke
Main exports:
USA to Spain: Petroleum
Spain to USA: Refined PetroleumNow, I’m sure this is bad business for both parts, but it’s a helluva lot worse practically for USA to be without refined petroleum than it is for Spain not to have petroleum to refine.
Anyway, I’ll make sure to eat double the amount of Spanish tomatoes this week.
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
Yesterday: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Today: Spain is a terrible country, really, one of the worst in Europe, we’re going to cut off all trade with them, we don’t want anything to do with them, and many people agree, and I know many important leaders, they’re my friends, and they love me, really they do, and they all agree, except maybe that Pedro Sánchez guy, lazy Pedro I call him, but I don’t know, sleepy Sánchez, well he wouldn’t, would he, because he’s the king of Spain, and did you know they’re still a monarchy, truly terrible system of government, and a bad country and I never liked their pie-ella, it’s not a good dish, I mean, come on, it doesn’t even compare to a Big Mac or anything, and there’s no fries, and people all agree, everyone agrees, and they love, me, they do, they say 'Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Tomorrow: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Wait, Europe? That can’t be right, why do they speak like South Americans then?
The US company I work for is a massive multinational manufacturing corporation with factories all over the world, including Spain. What the fuck are supposed to do, cut ties with our own facilities, because the orange pig is throwing a tantrum?
Trade will continue on as normal. He can’t actually unilaterally stop trade by decree but the fucking news media will never tell you that.
Everything will go through France or Portugal first.
Good. This needs to happen more. Have them come back to the table begging for the resources they need and don’t/can’t produce. It would be so lovely. Have the day you voted for!
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
Misleading title as nothing happened yet and AFAIK he can’t. EU is a single economic zone.
This is the only comment here that matters. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen, because Trump is going to piss his pants and scream and moan, and then all of his advisors are going to explain to him for the sixteenth time that the only want to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. No more Ferraris and Lambos. No more guns for their Abrams tanks. No more French cheese and wine. No more US trade to a market of 450 million comparatively wealthy people.
Even the actual headline of the article reads “Trump to cut off all US trade with Spain over refusal to use military bases in Iran war”. Because it hasn’t happened yet. And it won’t. It’s just another empty threat from a pathetic, brainless coward.
Oh something did happen: he managed to piss off more people or piss them off even more than they were.
US products boycott can only gets worse.Well, I’ll grant you that.
That aside, his ability to impose tariffs without congress approval was just limited, right?
I’m not a US law expert but it would be weird if he couldn’t set a 20% tariff but was allowed to stop trading with a country completely.
I mean, following that line of reasoning he shouldn’t even be able to wage a war just like that, but humor me here…
He actually can implement temporary sanctions but afaik they also fall into another emergency power provision and I don’t know if they can override existing trade deals from congress.
It was legally limited but he immediately imposed new tariffs anyway.
I thought that was under a different legal pretext that caps them at max 15% and for a limited time
Correct. The USSC rejected his claim to be able to impose unlimited tariffs (under a law that says no such thing), which forced him to then rely on an entirely different law that potentially offers him the ability to impose much more restricted tariffs; 15%, for 90 days, and he has to impose them equally across all trading partners. Which is threatening to upend a bunch of the deals they already made.
It’s also likely not legal either, but it’ll have to go through the courts again. This time around it’s because the law he’s now using only applies where there is a “balance of payments” issue; basically, where the US is in danger of running out of actual physical money to make payments with. This literally cannot happen with fiat currencies; it’s a law that was designed to handle issues that can only occur with precious metal backed currencies. This a very real problem that used to happen. I think the most famous example I can bring to mind is the Opium Wars, which basically happened because Britain was buying so much tea from China, while selling them almost nothing in return, that they were running out silver to pay the Chinese with.
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good!
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
Codeberg > GitHub
Good job on Spain for having a spine
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
