it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

  • gearheart@lemm.ee
    3·
    3 months ago

    The point?

    I see it like this.

    Profit profit profit at the expense of all Americans for 4 years.

    The next 4 years let Democrats clean up the mess, Democrats are weak anyway.

    Then milk the American people again for another 4 years. The cycle is nonstop.

    This is malicious greed but everyone keeps thinking these people are idiots.

    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
      1·
      4 months ago

      And dont forget, we are on Lemmy. Everything that’s somewhat conservative gets bullied out quite fast. C/conservative started as a legit community and got turned into a meme community. I think this speaks for itself.

        • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          4 months ago

          I disagree with a ton of stuff, but Ive already been banned from one community so for the most part I keep it civil. I haven’t had much issue arguing against the common opinion here besides the down votes, but I see downvoted comment chains all the time so I’m not as concerned they will be hidden.

        • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          4 months ago

          There’s absolutely diversity of opinion, I see trans and Tankie arguments pretty frequently.

          What is generally true is the majority of Lemmy users seem to lean left and are generally more techy, makes sense given the main reasons why you’d seek out the fediverse vs a centralized social media.

        • volvoxvsmarla @lemm.ee
          01·
          4 months ago

          Yeah now try being absolutely unknowledgeable when it comes to tech and very much into makeup, skincare, 90 day fiance and parenting content. Lemmy, it’s been nice, but after one and a half years I started lurking to Reddit every once in a while again.

          • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            4 months ago

            It sucks that niche things like that haven’t picked up yet, however be the change you want to see, create a community and invite like minded people to post there.

            I think the biggest barrier of entry is that people don’t understand it, and they’re not going to until they try in all honesty.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
          01·
          4 months ago

          There’s a lot of diversity of opinion between leftists and liberals. Generally speaking, conservatives don’t contribute anything and drag down the quality of debate because they are openly anti-intellectual, and their presence also drives away people who are actually worth having. The only thing that would happen if there were more conservatives on here would be more cable news tier screaming matches and more verbal attacks on minorities. Liberals still only want to talk and think at a cable news level, but at least they aren’t openly hateful and anti-intellectual.

          People are more likely to change their minds or have productive conversations when they approach a topic from the same basic values and beliefs about the world, like if two people agree on the goal of uplifting the global proletariat, they can discuss how best to go about it, but if one person’s goal is to uplift the global proletariat and the other’s is, idk, to drop minorities out of helicopters, then both are just going to be screaming at each other. Not only that, but if two people are discussing how to uplift the poor while the other guy’s in the room, it’s going to have a negative effect on their ability to do so, because they’ll constantly have to worry about everything they say getting attacked by dumb, right-wing arguments. Imagine two doctors trying to discuss the nuances of their profession in the same room as an antivax nutjob.

  • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    21·
    4 months ago

    You’re never going to get a satisfying answer to this question, because there is no actual reason. If you want, you can go peek in on the conservative subreddits and watch their gold-medal winning mental gymnastics, but the reason Trump is doing this is Putin told him to. The U.S. is destroying themselves for no gain.

    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
      3·
      4 months ago

      for no gain.

      Nearly $3 billion USD flowed through the TRUMP cryptocoin rugpull, whoever owned initial coins made very, very large gains.

      The $3 billion in quid buys a lot of anti-Ukraine pro quo

      But, thanks to the Supreme Court, Trump could go on national TV and say he change US policy on Ukraine because he was bribed and he’d still be immune to any legal consequences (other than impeachment, but never anything criminal).

      • rayyy@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 months ago

        Nearly $3 billion USD flowed through the TRUMP cryptocoin

        But wait, there’s more. Us taxpayer money will now be used to “invest” in these crypto scams.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        There’s a lot of traitors in this country, but the conservatives on the Supreme Court may be at the top of the list.

    • Wahots@pawb.social
      1·
      4 months ago

      It’s like that scene in the Incredibles where Mr. Incredible gets inside the robot, and has it tear itself to pieces. Except an entire country. And ~88,000,000 people voted against self-destruction and are being dragged off a cliff.

      • zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 months ago

        The reality is that these people were/are unhappy in their lives due to stagnation in their finances/jobs, poor healthcare, and they don’t have a tight local community. Then these dumb, angry people are primed to accept someone who says they’ll fix their lives, and knows how to talk right to them. Everything else is just toppings, but that’s really the meat of it.

  • RangerJosey@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    4 months ago

    Trump only ran to stay out of prison. Now he’s ripping the copper out of the walls to get as much money as he can before it all collapses under his ineptitude.

    Elon thinks he’s gonna be a trillionaire at the top of a technofeudal oligarchy. (He wants to be Arasaka from Cyberpunk but he’s gonna have a hard time doing that while all his businesses fail.)

  • turnip@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1·
    4 months ago

    Project 2025. The goal is to remove all tariffs and other limitations against the US.

    Canada for instance has laws on antibiotics for dairy, foreign ownership for banks and telcos, various things like that. India has tariffs on everything.

    The document outlines crazy things like capital punishment and a border wall, its clearly Trumps handbook. It’s all in there.

  • Majorllama@lemmy.world
    0·
    4 months ago

    Echo chamber problems lol.

    Y’all have banned or bullied every single Republican or conservative person off this website.

    You can’t talk to people who aren’t here.

      • Geobloke@lemm.ee
        01·
        4 months ago

        Probably the downvotes on his comment are a liiiitttttllllllleeeee bit indicative

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
    0·
    4 months ago

    I don’t even think the majority of American conservatives are on board with most of what’s happening anymore. Some Like almost half are, but they’re especially stupid and usually ideologically oriented to Trump rather than to the traditional brand of US conservatism.

  • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
    0·
    4 months ago

    So that when the oligarchs assume full unchecked control of the US, no one will lift a finger to help the rest of us.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
          1·
          4 months ago

          Hitler put all the leftists in camps and also purged the left wing of his own party, he came to power by being appointed by center-right big business interests specifically as a way to crush the left and destroy labor unions, and those interests did quite well under his rule, the term “privatization” was literally first coined to describe the Nazi economy.

          So those are the points showing the Nazis were right wing. The points showing the Nazis were left wing are… they censored speech (which the right also does, all the time) and they have socialist in their name (curious on whether you consider the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a democracy).

          • Bigred1367@lemmy.world
            01·
            4 months ago

            Hitler was left leaning. What side was trying to censor opponents and throw political opponents in jail? It was the left and it backfired.

            • crimsonpoodle@pawb.social
              1·
              4 months ago

              Hitler was not left leaning. He was supported by the old guard and the industrialists like Krupp until he out grew them and then turned on them. At the end of the day he was an autocrat, a totalitarian. Think was Gaddafi liberal? How about Suddam? They both had extensive social programs, but they were not left leaning. In the Weimar Republic it was the right wing courts that tried to censor and throw people in jail, and often let the right wing activists off the hook for similar offenses. Left and right wing groups can both censor and throw people in jail, ie USSR, but generally this is in service of totalitarianism, the ideology at that point is just a husk to keep people in line while people vye for control.

            • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
              1·
              4 months ago

              Exactly one political party in US history ran a candidate from a prison cell, do you know who it was and what the party was called?

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
    0·
    4 months ago

    Honestly asking: what other way would anyone suggest to bring back outsourced manufacturing jobs?

    I’ve always heard broad public support on both sides of the aisle for bringing back those jobs. Wasn’t that always going to make things more expensive?

    ETA: the downvotes lead me to believe a lot of y’all are caught up in the nationalism of the arguments, and refuse to consider the logistics of what you want. That goes for both Red MAGA wanting recklessly applied tariffs, and Blue MAGA wanting to start WW3 without any existing domestic production. Neither of you are thinking shit through.

    • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
      0·
      4 months ago

      Buffet has a long history of stockpiling cash when the market becomes far too speculative. He’s also flat out said millionaires and billionaires aren’t taxed fairly compared to the working class.

      I think Trump is trying to appeal to blue collar workers who have seen their jobs disappear. Tariffs are his ham fisted way of trying to appeal to them.

      Trump is a fool though. It isn’t the 60s anymore and manufacturing won’t work in the US without inputs from Canada and Mexico.

  • Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world
    01·
    4 months ago

    this question could be rephrased to:

    dear idiots, why are you so stupid?

    OR

    dear sociopaths, why are you so selfish?

    the motivations don’t matter. they can;t be reasoned with.

    conclusion: guns.

    • Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
      0·
      4 months ago

      You could replace all the above by “trumpist”. There is no such thing as american conservatives anymore, the only thing remaining is trumpism, a soon to be modern form of nazism.

    • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
      01·
      4 months ago

      This feels so much closer to the real truth than anything. It really can be this simple for the trump cult.