We truly live in the worst timeline.
The people who hid Anne Frank and her family were guilty of obstruction, too.
Yup. The holocaust was legal. Slavery was legal. Hiding Jews (to help them escape the holocaust) was illegal. The Underground Railroad (to help slaves escape the south) was illegal. Legality often aligns with morality, but legality cannot be used as a basis for morality. Because throughout history, people have used laws to justify heinously immoral acts.
Legality often aligns with morality
I’d say it “sometimes” does.
For the major crimes, yes.
Murder, theft, etc.
But for other crimes, like the one in the article, it’s moral to resist.
The vast majority of laws cover petty things that may or may not be moral rather than the big stuff, though.
The vast majority of laws are regulations. And the vast majority of those were written in blood.
They can mostly be summed up as, “don’t do that, or do this specifically, because someone could die otherwise”.
The big ones, yes. A lot more are “Don’t do this because it isn’t in the best interests of those in power for one reason or another.”
“I took six parking spots, three handicapped, as a moral and political position and statement. As such my actions are protected political speech and unless you are duly sworn in by the coast guard you can’t do shit you see that gold fringe on my license placard? I answer only to the Admiralty Board. Now agents of corporate have put three boots on and a glued this mermaid titty clamp onto the front of my primary turbine familiar domicile conveyance and I mailed them a quit and go away deed. They ain’t quit and go away. What words I need put on my quit and go away deed?”
The real question is: Who gets to define the morality that the law should align with?
Oh God you can’t imagine the shit that I get into the minute somebody mentions morality and I asked them whose morality are you talking about. I live in a very highly religious area and the looks people give me is hilarious. Seriously fuck their thought of what morality is or isn’t.
The real answer is: the fey queen Titania and her sylvan council of woodland beings, duh.
Leaving King Oberon out of it? Admittedly those two do love to bicker.
I do. And you do. That’s the neat thing. Best societies are ones where each person’s voice carries the same weight in deciding that shit, but that’s an ideal and those don’t exist (the assumptions that would have to exist for that to happen just aren’t currently happening. Or likely possible). But like, it happens via conversation about morality and law and where they align
It’s subjective. But the state of the world today lends a lot of credence to being cynical.
Next thing you know, that slippery slope has turned into an Anschluss!
How close is sometimes and often? Close enough, no?
“Often” means more than “sometimes.”
When were talking about simple ass shit that we probably barely need a legal system to deal with, sure.
Don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t rape, these are rules that every man of any creed can live by (sorry, had to)
But as soon as the law gets more complicated than “don’t visit violence on others unprovoked” it just becomes the state threating you to do what it wants
So she gets convicted of obstruction, but Trump steals and hides classified documents and is basically apologized to for the inconvenience of getting charged?
The Mueller report recommended 10 charges of obstruction of justice, but Bill Barr lied, and said it totally exonerated him.
Not just apologized to but he also just sued the government for a $230 million payout for being investigated over illegally keeping the documents and its up to the president and head of the DOJ whether to pay it 🙄
The USA is a facist country now. laws are only for the poor and the opposition. Try to keep up.
We’re too stupid a country to be fascist. We’re a popularity contest made up almost entirely of mean girls.
Fascism does not require intelligence. Kind of the opposite actually.
That’s fascism. Its a vibe only worldview. Because, differently from socialism or grassroots movements, post truth is better than real actions done by real working people.
America hasn’t been a nation of laws in a long time, if ever.
Another martyr for democracy. She will be remembered as a hero someday soon, like Rosa Parks.
In an unjust society the only place for a just man is prison.
– Henry David Thoreau
Getting into good trouble. The mark of a great human.
When reason is restored, every member of this jury will be found and held accountable for enabling this fascist abortion of Constitution, law, ethics, and morality. No treason will be forgotten or forgiven. Not one act.
The state can remain irrational much longer than you can remain free
“Jury of your peers”
More than half our peers are fascists and their sympathizers
A “fascist sympathizer” is just a fascist.
This is why I am becoming kinda…okay? With a civil war, now. I don’t want my neighbors nor government to consist of Nazis.
War sucks. But living the rest of my life with awful people would be even worse.
The other half are useful idiots.
Hey, non-voters and protest voters, y’all fall under that “sympathizers” bucket. Have the day you voted for! ✨
Weird how all the “protest voters” I know, seem to have no problem with anything currently happening. In fact, any time I bring up politics, I’m reminded of how the real fascism was having to wear masks.
Daron from SoaD is a perfect example of this. He says he’s “far middle” but he spends all his time attacking leftists, mainly for using his own lyrics against him
Non-voter: “but 1 didn’t vOtE!”
Everyone else: “Yeah you did. You’re just too stupid to understand what you voted for. Or make any effort to.”
Someone hasn’t looked at the election data for 2024 because those people wouldn’t have made a difference in the outcome, but whatever it takes to keep the heat off the people and party actually running the “opposition” campaign, right?
Did you just make the factually wrong claim that non-voters wouldn’t have made a difference in the 2024 outcome if they voted?
Well at least you’re dishonest about it
This is what your 4th or 5th reply and you’ve provided exactly zero facts to suggest that anything I’ve said is wrong. Now, why would that be?
This is going to blow your mind, but I’m fully capable of being mad at multiple people/groups.
Blame can be shared.
Also the rhetoric surrounding the non-voters almost certainly flipped some centrists. Enough to matter? Hard to say
Are you using sock accounts and forgot to change back or something? You aren’t the person I replied to.
By “the rhetoric surrounding the non-voters” do you mean the valid criticism of our leaders who’ve ignored us for decades for their own gain and refuse to change course as they drive us off a cliff? You think the problem is that too many people know about their bad behavior and not the fact that they’re engaging in said behavior in the first place? What a joke.
Blame can be shared
Yes, and you can share the blame with the person steering us toward a cliff for giving them your unwavering support despite all the other passengers shouting about the rapidly approaching cliff directly in our path.
Are you using sock accounts and forgot to change back or something? You aren’t the person I replied to.
If you don’t want other people on an open forum to respond to you need to move to dm.
But anyway, no I meant the rhetoric behind this “both parties are the same so I won’t vote” or “this party did something I don’t like so I won’t vote”.
This let’s the party actually driving us off the cliff win.
Dems are fundamentally flawed, they’re not going to fix anything but we also wouldn’t be a fascist sithole of a country now. We wouldn’t be gearing up to invade Venezuela, women could still have the rights to their own bodies, ICE wouldn’t be rounding people up off the streets, and I can keep this list going all day.
The dems fundamentally failed to respond to their base, but they were by far the best chance for our country still last election.
Would I love to not have to live with this 2 party system? Absolutely, but that’s not our reality.
If you don’t want other people on an open forum to respond to you need to move to dm.
🙄 nice attempt at covering up your mistake, but you’ll have to point out where I stated that. I even responded to the arguments you left on your second sock account but where would you be without strawman arguments?
But anyway, no I meant the rhetoric behind this “both parties are the same so I won’t vote” or “this party did something I don’t like so I won’t vote”.
More strawman arguments that aren’t even accurate. Even if every non-voter voted in 2024, Trump would have won. The DNC wanted him to win just like in 2016 so that he can play the role of “the heel” and do all the bad stuff they want done as they convince all the rubes that they’re fighting for you despite them supporting Trump and his policies at every turn.
Dems are fundamentally flawed, they’re not going to fix anything but we also wouldn’t be a fascist sithole of a country now.
What kind of messed up logic is that? “These people aren’t going to fix anything, but we should elect them anyway and that’ll fix things.”
Listing the grievances of the current news cycle means nothing when you ignore the mountain of grievances that have existed for decades but have fallen out of the news cycle after being ignored by our leaders regardless of party. We were a fascist shithole last year too, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that going back decades.
The dems fundamentally failed to respond to their base, but they were by far the best chance for our country still last election.
The best chance at what? You just stated they aren’t going to fix anything. History shows they aren’t going to fix anything.
Would I love to not have to live with this 2 party system? Absolutely, but that’s not our reality.
Well, gee, I wonder why these two parties have a stranglehold on our country when people like yourself make statements like “Dems are fundamentally flawed, they’re not going to fix anything” and “the dems fundamentally failed to respond to their base” followed by “but they were by far the best chance for our country.”
If you think voting is so important, why do you continue throwing your vote away by supporting a system manufactured by people you hate? Why do you demand that everyone else do the same too? You and everyone else like you are the ones responsible for making this “our reality” by giving these people your unwavering support despite your own admission that they’re making our lives worse.
WTF? Are you insisting that this one user is the same person as the other user because they… Responded to a comment in a public forum? That’s almost as bad faith an argument as the rest of your nonsense.
🙄 nice attempt at covering up your mistake
You did it you broke the code. You’re actually the only other person on lemmy. I’ve been living a lie and posting all of the site’s content. It’s all just been me and you this whole time
Appeal and get a new judge. I wouldn’t trust any of this.
I swear if the Democrats do not pardon her, they will lose any banking left as people are helping in what they have been saying. We need to let them know that it’s on the list of people that need to be given a damn pardon.
Fuck maga, fuck trump, fuck these fascist traitors.
Attacking an independent judiciary is a clear, unequivocal sign of unbridled fascism.
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No amount of therapy can fix the reality of the country like this
Lol during my therapy sessions I talk abt how I’m personally doing better but the state of the world is magnitudes worse in every respect. Also my healthcare premiums are skyrocketing and I either pay it or get screwed and walk away from my therapist cause I can’t afford out of pocket sessions.
This was corrupt AF for Judge Cervera to state this especially since they were not even party to that claim. This judge was only present for requesting the moronic agents to review policy with the Chief Judge. Other factors abused by DOJ was to blame but that shameful Judge Cervera just wrecked our state courts across the nation handing them over to the authoritarian federal police.
“Judges shouldn’t be helping defendants evade arrest,” Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Kristela Cervera told a jury.
Judges should (and up until now do) have wide discretion over how to run their courts.
Also, this nonsense is going to have a chilling effect on people being willing to legitimately go to court.
Someone set up a Go Fund Me account for the nice lady.
Show’s how worthless the “law” is for any judgement of an action as history has always shown.
