I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn’t raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Since democrats didn’t raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Or you’re lying or any abnormalities are explainable or they were too insignificant to make a difference.
You sound exactly like Trump supporters in 2020. You have legitimized their anti-democracy bullshit. Way to use your head.
I think there are LOT of people who are feeling pretty stupid about stubbornly refusing to vote in November that are now desperately looking for something to blame other than themselves.
Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won’t know whether they’re right because the people who could have had it investigated didn’t do so?
You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I’m in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about
Okay this is what I’ve gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump’s history, his many statements while campaigning it’s not hard to believe there wasn’t cheating but if it’s this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven’t been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it’s a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris’s votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin’s votes. Again I haven’t looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn’t matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren’t pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don’t think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I’d be curious just to know but I’m also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it’s not an exclusive list.
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I’ve seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the “for you” feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It’s quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
That’s happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what’s seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
I know that programming.dev doesn’t defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don’t show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them).
At least, I believe that’s how it works.
I don’t think anyone here did create anything like that that isn’t some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways.
Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views.
Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups.
Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order.
While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don’t notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box.
Yea. And there were several lawsuits in 2020 all over the USA that alleged massive discrepancies too. They were all eventually tossed for lack of evidence.
Oh but those were different right? You couldn’t possibly be falling for the exact same BS right wing idiots did, right? Holding on to some pathetic hope that things didn’t happen the way you saw them, and that any day a judge will make a ruling that completely invalidates the whole presidency and makes all your dreams come true. That can’t be the case, because you’re too smart to fall for that. So it absolutely must be different this time.
The lawsuits in 2020 were filed by Trump and were baseless, this is why they were thrown out.
The lawsuit in the link above (I’ll explain it to you cause you don’t seem like a “reader”) has been allowed to proceed to discovery by the NY Supreme Court. Discovery is a neat part of a lawsuit where people gather and present cool things called “evidence”
I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
You sound like a normal, sane person. Not a cunt. There is nothing more embarrassing than seeing massive dumbasses on my side do EXACTLY THE SAME THING they did in 2020. It’s just fucking pathetic.
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They’re looking to overturn those peoples’ convictions.
I’m sure there is more that I’m leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that’s rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
Gerrymandering doesn’t effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don’t matter). I’ve seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That’s fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we’re in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name’s of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.
There’s a big difference between a judge saying you can proceed to Discovery and you getting up in front of a judge and swearing to tell the truth or face perjury charges. That’s the bar. That’s when all those lawsuits in 2020 failed. Because none of them would risk being disbarred or jailed. Once you get to that point I’ll start giving more credence. But I wish them the best of luck in Discovery.
Well almost zero of Trumps 2020 election lawsuits met even the low bar of proceeding to discovery, and were dismissed outright, including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed after a hearing on the merits. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election)
So when you said, “presented before a judge” I took you at your word. What you should have said was “proceeded to trial” because that’s when you do all the swearing in. Or depositions- but that’s part of discovery, which this suit about the 2024 election is already in, so technically if there are any depositions taken, people are already swearing oath right now. So I guess by either definition this trial is one to take seriously.
I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn’t raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Democrats were gaslit into going along with it
Or you’re lying or any abnormalities are explainable or they were too insignificant to make a difference.
You sound exactly like Trump supporters in 2020. You have legitimized their anti-democracy bullshit. Way to use your head.
I think there are LOT of people who are feeling pretty stupid about stubbornly refusing to vote in November that are now desperately looking for something to blame other than themselves.
Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won’t know whether they’re right because the people who could have had it investigated didn’t do so?
You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I’m in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about
Okay this is what I’ve gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump’s history, his many statements while campaigning it’s not hard to believe there wasn’t cheating but if it’s this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven’t been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it’s a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris’s votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin’s votes. Again I haven’t looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn’t matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren’t pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don’t think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I’d be curious just to know but I’m also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it’s not an exclusive list.
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I’ve seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the “for you” feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It’s quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
That’s happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what’s seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
Is it really a thing? I don’t mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them?
I know that programming.dev doesn’t defederate from problematic instances, but their problematic communities don’t show up in the all feed (so you have to specifically search for & subscribe to them).
At least, I believe that’s how it works.
Algorithm isn’t that. It’s not just a block.
I don’t think anyone here did create anything like that that isn’t some simple formula that accounts for number of likes, date & number of comments, converts that to a single number and sort by that. Plus, there is a way to sort differently in many ways.
Algorithm will not completely prevent you from being in the feed. But your visibility drops thousandfold. Posts that previously would get thousands of likes get 20 views.
Same way they create popular political figures and newsfeeds out of nowhere. Just ramp visibility in the algorithm to the target groups.
Algorithm is a blackbox that is unpredictable to the end user by design. The idea is that algorithm learns what you like to read, what are you interacting with, so it feeds you the content to keep you engaged to the max. The parameters by which you see some post but not the other are not decided by some clear sorting rule. Each user would have lots of hidden values which impact the sort order.
While being generally useful (despite the hate, people love to be engaged with content they like to see), people also don’t notice that they are being fed/denied some content because they are used to their feed being a black box.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.
1000% agree, paper ballots only, no more electronic tallying.
If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don’t think I want it.
There are several lawsuits that allege massive discrepancies in down ballot races in counties all over the USA
Yea. And there were several lawsuits in 2020 all over the USA that alleged massive discrepancies too. They were all eventually tossed for lack of evidence.
Oh but those were different right? You couldn’t possibly be falling for the exact same BS right wing idiots did, right? Holding on to some pathetic hope that things didn’t happen the way you saw them, and that any day a judge will make a ruling that completely invalidates the whole presidency and makes all your dreams come true. That can’t be the case, because you’re too smart to fall for that. So it absolutely must be different this time.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
The lawsuits in 2020 were filed by Trump and were baseless, this is why they were thrown out.
The lawsuit in the link above (I’ll explain it to you cause you don’t seem like a “reader”) has been allowed to proceed to discovery by the NY Supreme Court. Discovery is a neat part of a lawsuit where people gather and present cool things called “evidence”
You sound like a normal, sane person. Not a cunt. There is nothing more embarrassing than seeing massive dumbasses on my side do EXACTLY THE SAME THING they did in 2020. It’s just fucking pathetic.
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They’re looking to overturn those peoples’ convictions.
I’m sure there is more that I’m leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that’s rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
Gerrymandering doesn’t effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don’t matter). I’ve seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That’s fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we’re in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing.
Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold.
A lot of them have been decades in the making. Horrible.
It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name’s of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
Add it to the pile. I wasn’t mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about:
https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/
Racism and sexism? Not Gaza?
None that’s been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don’t take it seriously. Same as last time.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
Yes thank you.
This was presented before a judge, in the NY Supreme Court, and it has proceeded to discovery, as allowed by the judge
There’s a big difference between a judge saying you can proceed to Discovery and you getting up in front of a judge and swearing to tell the truth or face perjury charges. That’s the bar. That’s when all those lawsuits in 2020 failed. Because none of them would risk being disbarred or jailed. Once you get to that point I’ll start giving more credence. But I wish them the best of luck in Discovery.
Well almost zero of Trumps 2020 election lawsuits met even the low bar of proceeding to discovery, and were dismissed outright, including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed after a hearing on the merits. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election) So when you said, “presented before a judge” I took you at your word. What you should have said was “proceeded to trial” because that’s when you do all the swearing in. Or depositions- but that’s part of discovery, which this suit about the 2024 election is already in, so technically if there are any depositions taken, people are already swearing oath right now. So I guess by either definition this trial is one to take seriously.
We’ll see