• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    I think what is meant by “Valhalla” is a place where all the warriors go.

    To understand this, you have to consider Norse mythology:

    There are two groups of gods in norse mythology: The Æsir and the Vanir. There is a theory that the Vanir represent a local fertility cult who had already lived in Scandinavia, while the Æsir represent a war-mongering cult who invaded the Vanir’s land. They later joined into one society, i.e. they mixed up.

    What’s described here is basically a class society. There’s a warmongering part of the population and a peaceful part of the population, which you might akin to right-wing and left-wing politics. The norse mythology says that when you die fiercefully in battle, you go to Valhalla, where you fight and die over and over again, until the Ragnarök - which could be compared to the judgement day from christian mythology - makes them meet in one final battle before they ascent to the heavens for good (IIRC).


    after looking it up, i can’t find any good sources for the “before they ascent to the heavens for good” part except a single ARTE infotainment documentary here. other sources seem to say they just die for good, but go nowhere after the battle of Ragnarök.

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      9 hours ago

      He had a microphone. If that’s not dangerous, then why did someone see the need to kill him?

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        Regardless of it being all nonsense, I can’t see that being viewed as an honorable death by Odin, he would definitely call that a cowards tool. It’s not just dying in battle, which he didn’t do, it has to be an honorable battle in the eyes eye of Odin.

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            He dodged the two questions asked before he got kirked. If there was a battle of wits going on, he came unarmed.

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              The fact that it takes a guy with a gun to smite them, and not a bolt of lighting, is proof to me that religion is bullshit.

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                perhaps the gods saw kirk as beneath their contempt. not worth a lightning bolt or force majeure. not permitted entry to valhalla, denied the gates of hel, deemed only fit to be devoured by cthulhu

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            Like any religion, I guess it depends where you’re looking, I had a buddy in high school who’s family was legitimate believers that were way too into it, which is how i learned about most of it, and that’s how his grampa explained it to me. It’s really cool stuff, on a story telling level, but it’s some wild shit to take as truth. Guess that’s true of any religion, though, but dragons and frost giants really knock it up another notch for me.

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        Although I agree he used hate speech as a weapon I haven’t seen any evidence that would lead me to believe Norse mythology would accept such an abstract definition of weapon in this scenario. I may be wrong though I am hardly an expert.

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              OK, are there requirements for what sort of weapon you should be holding? I can go look it up but you might already know.

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                It’s mainly about being in battle and holding a weapon I just have no idea what specifically is meant by "battle"and “weapon” in the Norse cultural context.

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                  Im’ma go see

                  edit: seems that Valhalla is the hall in which the warriors heal every night and Ragnorok is the “eternal” battle that’s some real apocalyptic shit of fighting day in and day out but never winning.

                  I see why these Christofascists embrace it.

                  But all who fall in battle will be Odin’s adopted sons, doesn’t seem like you need to have swung your sword. So, Eugene the supply clerk who catches one in the back is going to Valhalla just as much as Chad the legendary warrior.

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    Ahh yes the warrior Kash Patel who never served in the military, praising Charlie Kirk as a warrior who also never served in the military.

    Can they just be fucking normal for once? Just say I’ll see you in heaven. There that’s it, and you get to pander to your base.

    Might as well have said see you in Sto’Vo’Kor.

    Oh also,

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      BiHnuch, please

      Their ashes will pave the road to Gre’thor. The cowardly and the damned will tread upon them for an eternity of suffering.

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    Man that was wierd to watch. spoke about how great the fbi was for being able to catch the killer by having him handed over by his dad and then ends in a dog whistle to biker gang type of skinhead nazis types. Seriously this indian guy mentioning valhalla in a state dominated by mormons???

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      To go to Valhalla you need to either die in battle (I doubt the Valkyries will accept a word battle) or off yourself at grand age.

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        this is what really got me. You can tell he is trumps guy putting out the dog whistle so blatantly like that. I think that was the thing he was pushed to make sure he mentions to go hand in hand with trump trying to make pointing out his hitler actions as being bad like filling his coffers from his position, eliminating due process, press intimidation, domestic military use, personal police force, puppet branches of government.

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    Or as the clickbait news should report it:

    FBI Director Claims Charlie Kirk Not Going To Heaven

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      I’ve seen Norse pagans make very clear that all father means all father, so if he wants to be a norse pagan his difficulty will be that the ones who don’t mind his race will kick him out for his politics and vice versa

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      Appreciate this. However, I’d rather see the paywall and say ‘fuck it’ than click stop lights and bicycles over and over. That shit’s a bigger plague than the paywall. 🤘🏼