Anyone who knows the guy on the left: “Hindenburg went out of his way to empower Hitler and the Nazis when it was clear that his coalition was failing. Instead of working with the Social Democrats, he empowered the Nazi. Without his choices, there’s a chance that the Hitler wouldn’t have come to power. He’s an awful person.”
You: “so you think there’s no difference between the two?!”
I was just going to point out that deportations were higher under Biden.
Then I remembered who that guy in the picture is!
Hindenburg literally appointed Hitler chancellor, approved the Reichstag Fire Decree, and gave the Nazis emergency powers by singing the Enabling Act of 1933. Do you not even credit him slightly for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis?
Shooting Trump wouldn’t really help? He’d just become a martyr for MAGA and JD Vance would do all the shit Trump was going to do, but also use the assassination as an excuse to deport leftists.
If you kill Hitler and aren’t organized enough to take advantage of the infighting (or assassinate the rest of Nazi leadership) then one of the other Nazis will just slide into his place. It’s not like there are a shortage of potential Hitlers around.
Assassination has to be part of a larger, more organized political project or it doesn’t really accomplish anything.
A hypothetical time traveler needs to build organized resistance and implement a strategy to destroy the the Nazi Party, otherwise you just get WW2 and the Holocaust with a different guy in charge. You can’t even be sure it would be better if you replaced Hitler with a different Nazi. Remember, Hitler lost.
Lone wolf tactics and adventurism do not work and can not work.
That’s kind of the idea I was thinking of. Lemmy users would focus on the bad of Hindenburg and declare him identical to Hitler. Hindenburg wasn’t a saint but it’s wrong to say there’s no difference between Hindenburg and Hitler.
You realize every country has border patrol, right? Spending money on your border patrol agency isn’t inherently evil. Denmark is one of the most “socialist” countries in the world, but they also have one of the strictest border policies.
ICE under Obama was very different to ICE under Trump.
Funding ICE and even reducing the budget while following normal legal procedures is a gigantic difference between Trump increasing ICE 3X and performing illegal deportations.
Average Lemmy user, “There is no difference between the politician on the left and the politician on the right.”
You like the politician on the left because he appointed the politician on the right.
Anyone who knows the guy on the left: “Hindenburg went out of his way to empower Hitler and the Nazis when it was clear that his coalition was failing. Instead of working with the Social Democrats, he empowered the Nazi. Without his choices, there’s a chance that the Hitler wouldn’t have come to power. He’s an awful person.”
You: “so you think there’s no difference between the two?!”
You are proving my point. One was bad, the other was evil and you can’t see the difference.
Lesser, greater, middling.
I like how in this analogy, republicans are Hitler and democrats are the guy who brought Hitler to power. Very apt.
The guy on the left appointed Hitler and then gave him power with the Enabling Act and aided in giving him unchecked powers.
So without Hindenburg, Hitler wouldn’t have been put into power. So he’s far from a good guy.
That was my point. One is bad, the other is pure evil. Lemmy: " I see no difference."
So the bad guy is acceptable because he’ll enable the next guy to be even worse?
Maybe we don’t elect people who do nothing to stop the pure evil?
I was just going to point out that deportations were higher under Biden.
Then I remembered who that guy in the picture is!
Hindenburg literally appointed Hitler chancellor, approved the Reichstag Fire Decree, and gave the Nazis emergency powers by singing the Enabling Act of 1933. Do you not even credit him slightly for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis?
Still waiting for the Democrats to start fighting Nazis
But they wrote strongly worded letters, that’s the same right?
The only two who tried to shoot Trump were right wing. I have seen any leftists/socialists try and stop Trump either.
Shooting Trump wouldn’t really help? He’d just become a martyr for MAGA and JD Vance would do all the shit Trump was going to do, but also use the assassination as an excuse to deport leftists.
This all under a picture of Hitler hah
If you kill Hitler and aren’t organized enough to take advantage of the infighting (or assassinate the rest of Nazi leadership) then one of the other Nazis will just slide into his place. It’s not like there are a shortage of potential Hitlers around.
Assassination has to be part of a larger, more organized political project or it doesn’t really accomplish anything.
Idk I’d probably still advocate killing Hitler
But it doesn’t fix anything.
A hypothetical time traveler needs to build organized resistance and implement a strategy to destroy the the Nazi Party, otherwise you just get WW2 and the Holocaust with a different guy in charge. You can’t even be sure it would be better if you replaced Hitler with a different Nazi. Remember, Hitler lost.
Lone wolf tactics and adventurism do not work and can not work.
Even if it would be really funny.
Lebensraum, and the implied means to achieve it, was a policy goal of WW1 as it happens.
That’s kind of the idea I was thinking of. Lemmy users would focus on the bad of Hindenburg and declare him identical to Hitler. Hindenburg wasn’t a saint but it’s wrong to say there’s no difference between Hindenburg and Hitler.
.ml user specifically
This post is on .world so I’d expect the majority of upvotes are .world too.
lemvotes.org
Could be, OP is posting from a .ml address though. My comment was referring to them
No, it’s from .ml. Check again
How does this post say there is no difference?
Instead your comments tend to be similar to how republicans always claim “It is fine when my team does it”
Do you have anything better than using an ad hominem?
You realize every country has border patrol, right? Spending money on your border patrol agency isn’t inherently evil. Denmark is one of the most “socialist” countries in the world, but they also have one of the strictest border policies.
ICE under Obama was very different to ICE under Trump.
Maga talking point from a maga acolyte.
Funding ICE and even reducing the budget while following normal legal procedures is a gigantic difference between Trump increasing ICE 3X and performing illegal deportations.
It’s not an ad hominem, it’s a comparison.
Funding ICE kept it around for trump.
Every country has immigration enforcement.
As did we before ICE. Just because you love you some gestapo, that doesn’t mean they’re needed.