Astrology has specifically oppressed swaths of women in the Indian subcontinent. Search for “manglik” for starters.
I’ve seen plenty of instances of people being treated unfairly and unjustly due to religious astrology beliefs. Especially women (of Indian descent, also Chinese but my experience is more limited there).
Extremely white bitch. I got it too!
It turns out shit people will use anything as an excuse to be shit. Makes dating hard(er).
Additionally, the stars and moon actually exist.
A belief system that makes claims which are demonstrably untrue is susceptible to being used to oppress people (or elevate them unnecessarily).
Astrology is bunk. Yes I am fun at parties.
If the moon doesn’t oppress women, then why is the menstrual cycle the same length as the lunar cycle?
Checkmate,
atheistsastrologists!Thats only cis women though.
And also some trans men.
And some genderqueers.
So…
there’s one star that is oppressing albino women and gays though
Sorry to go all Godwin’s law, but astrology can and has been used as a tool of oppression. Nazi Germany had a state-sponsored astrologer, Karl Ernst Krafft, appointed by Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess and Chief Propagandist Joseph Goebbels. Krafft was employed to write astrological propaganda that justified anti-semitism on the basis of celestial events. He was also tasked with using astrological observations to predict threats to the Führer Adolf Hitler and offer military advice.
Ultimately, it’s not the stars and Moon that do the oppression, just whoever is in charge of divining their meaning, which is also pretty much how religious oppression works.
Reagan too. Basically his whole second term was just his astrologer.
Nancy Reagan had an astrologer.
Nancy Reagan has an astrologer.
Does he pack a shovel if she calls him?
Changed my verb tense. :)
It’s almost as if certain types of people want to be assholes but want an irrefutable entity to say it’s okay.
Never trust someone else’s imaginary friend over one’s own.
Here’s a thought: go one further. Kill all gods & masters.
We will only be free when the last monarch is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Repair world hunger with a woodchipper & fertilizer tumbler… Yeet The Rich.
Eh not giving up my kinks, but everyone needs to have the right to say no or it’s not fun.
(sorry, the homebrewed anamist theism is too fun right now, and i got a puppy boy that’s counting on me so… upvotes for thoroughness and enthusiasm)
Religion has been the single most detrimental invention of humankind since civilization’s dawn.
To the other point, since nearly that same catalyzing point in our history, undying Truth itself can be found in the loving eyes of a goodest boy. (source: my own life has been saved by one on more than a few occasions and ways. 🙇🏼♂️🐕🥰)
Religion, as in faith in God, doesn’t oppress anyone. Religion, the institution, oppresses people. If astrology had a comparable institution, it would absolutely oppress people.
Faith oppresses the believer himself because it requires a willingness to believe in things without proof. It’s like saying AIDS doesn’t kill people because it merely weakens their immune system. Astrology believers are primed to believe anything, and often get scammed by their astrologers.
It’s like saying AIDS doesn’t kill people because it merely weakens their immune system.
Which is accurate. It’s the infection or cancer that kills you, like the priest or the astrologer oppresses you. The belief might make you more susceptible to oppression, but it’s not what’s oppressing you.
So you don’t understand what he’s saying… interesting.
They don’t understand what I’m saying. Oppression is a specific phenomenon. Becoming susceptible to oppression is not the same thing as being oppressed.
Given the chance, Saturn would remove women’s right to vote.
Typical Saturn energy.
Dammit Saturn I thought you were cool
One could argue that they lift people up, since there’s a slight canceling of the effect of Earth’s gravity when they’re over head. Conversely, the opposite is true when they’re on the other side of the planet.
The gravitational effect is only meaningful from the Moon and the Sun.
The Moon obviously affects the tides, and is very, very slowly making our days longer.
The Sun is … you know, the center of the Solar System, defines our entire orbit, our year.
Nothing else is massive enough or close enough to have a meaningful gravitational impact.
Right, the post mentions “the Moon and stars.” Last I checked, the Moon is still the Moon and the Sun is a star.
Also, I didn’t say anything about the effect being meaningful. An effect that is non-zero is still an effect even if it is negligible.
I mean, if you want to be this pedantic…
‘the stars’
99.999…% of ‘the stars’ are not the Sun.
99.999…% of ‘the Moon and the stars’ are neither the Moon nor the Sun.
And… I know you didn’t say meaningful.
I did. That’s my counter argument to your … hypothetical? argument.
Further, when I say ‘negligible’ I mean… not actually empirically observable, not statistically different from 0, thus you could not establish any kind of causal mechanism with any legitimate basis.
Sure, you could calculate a theory of the difference of overall gravitational effect of ‘the stars’, but its going to be again negligible compared to local gravitational variances of the Earth itself, due to the Earth not being perfectly uniformly spherical, nor perfectly radially uniformly dense.
That is a good point.
No it’s not.
Reagan’s astrologer, who was consulted on policy decisions:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Quigley
The best thing you can say for court mystics of any creed is that they’re just the convenient excuse for the behavior, not the cause.
It really isn’t. Things can be better than other things and still be bad.
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