Remember when politicians said everyone should get covid to develop heard-immunity? And then we had more than one million deaths since then?

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    RFK Jr., a man vaccinated against the measles, says your kids should get measles.

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    If I’m not mistaken parts of the SF Bay Area had measles parties like 10-15 years ago when the anti-vaxx thing was really becoming trendy. Parents would take their kids to try to get them infected. It’s as stupid today as it was before. Fuck these people.

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      they had to put a stop to that quick. people dont have measles party for a reason, and usually only occurs for chickenpox anyways. both cpox and measles is quite severe to adults.

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        Yes, it was a big thing with public health officials and doctors saying that measles were not like chickenpox but that’s how people in Marin were treating it.

        Article from 2015 that was updated in 2018.

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      17 hours ago

      People who intentionally infect their children with deadly pathogens and assist in spreading disease should face criminal charges.

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    What a fucking moron.

    If there were only a way to introduce everyone to the virus with no risk of suffering the symptoms of the disease. Wouldn’t that be amazing?

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    What if there was a way for everyone’s body to know about measles, without actually getting measles.

    That would be pretty cool huh?

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      Yeah but you’d have to kind of train everyone’s immune system by somehow introducing it to the virus without the person actually getting infected.

      Seems impossible.

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        What if we did something to the virus so that it couldn’t make us sick, but still made our bodies thing we were sick?

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        you might want o get shingrx vaccine, for shingles too if your over 50+, shingles is more severe in older adults, than in younger people. i had a mild form of phn from a small shingles rash.

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    Let’s end drunk driving by making it legal and actually forcing everyone to drunk drive. Nobody left to drunk drive if everyone’s dead

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    He should get it first, would be a shame if he died and it would scare people into action.

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    Also measles resets your immune system. Your immune system keeps records of all the crap it’s fought, making it easier to fight next time. When you get measles, it’s like you’re a new born. So he’s not only allowing ppl to die, he’s making it easier for future illnesses to kill as well.

    article on measles

    Two studies of unvaccinated children in an Orthodox Protestant community in the Netherlands found that measles wipes out the immune system’s memory of previous illnesses, returning it to a more baby-like state, and also leaves the body less equipped to fight off new infections.

    The first paper, led by Velislava Petrova, of the Wellcome Sanger Institute and Cambridge University, says measles erodes two separate lines of defence of the immune system.

    To tackle previously unseen infections, the immune system relies on constantly pumping out a diverse range of immune cells – thousands of different varieties, each with slightly different receptors on their surfaces, with a collective ability to recognise almost any pathogen.

    “The more diverse range of them we have, the better,” said Petrova. However, after measles, the children had a far more restricted range.

    The immune system also creates long-lived memory cells, which remain permanently in circulation, allowing the body to rapidly recognise and eliminate previously encountered infections.

    However, after measles, a substantial proportion of immune memory cells had disappeared from the children’s blood, in what the scientists described as “immune amnesia”. This could even mean that children who become infected with measles may need to be revaccinated for previous diseases.

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      it suppresses your immune system, measles theoretically does this by infecting dendritic cells which present antigens to t-cells which fights of viruses, if thats impaired, your immune system wont recognize old and new infections.

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        No.

        The problem isn’t people who have been vaccinated against measles, the problem is people who haven’t, can’t, or are otherwise immunocompromised.

        Those people would have all of their immunities reset. People who don’t get measels because they have the vaccination will be unaffected.

        Plus the current COVID variant is quite unlike the one in 2021, and we’ll all need to get vaccinated against the next surviving variant anyway. Coronaviruses suck in that way.

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          The original version of covid still exists, people will get infected by it again if measles wipes out their immunity to it. Itl be WORSE than the pandemic since there are MULTIPLE versions of covid to catch.

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          I… didn’t say the problem was people vaccinated against measles? I’m saying unvaccinated people will have their COVID immunity reset, regardless of natural immunity from previous infections. Basically the pandemic starts over for unvaccinated people.

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            Let me rephrase it. Since COVID is endemic, their immunities being reset won’t matter much, and that’s why we still need to get an annual vaccine.

            The plus side to that is that when a virus becomes endemic its usually less severe (which it has been). This is an evolutionary thing, as the virus that propagates more if it’s not killing its hosts.

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              I think to answer his question precisely (if I’m understanding your correctly) is that yes, it would wipe out the COVID immunity for the COVID variant that you used to be immune to. But it doesn’t matter because COVID keeps mutating into new variants and the immunity to the older variant won’t help you.

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              My understanding is that COVID hasn’t simply become less severe, we’ve become more immune due to exposure. Our immune systems have adjusted to COVID after basically everyone has been infected or vaccinated.

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    Measles is a gift from grandpa nurgle. Take it in! -RFK probably

    Seriously the dude has a worm too. He serves nurgle.