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I came down with the flu and 102° fever while on a work trip this week. I ubered to an urgent care and the pharmacy was just across the street, but the street being a typical 5-lane American road with no sidewalk on either side, and no pedestrian crossing in sight in either direction.
I had to play frogger in the traffic standing in an empty lane until the next one cleared to get across.
Just truly mind-blowing bad design
Obviously you should have taken another Uber!
Standard American cities, aaahhh the beauty
Lol, US things 🤷
(Don’t hate! It really is a deeply US thing. We’re a very car Country as Germany but a thing like that would be totally alien to us.)
It definitely is a US thing, I can agree.
fuck that
Why would anyone want to go somewhere where its illegal to walk outside?
No, its not illegal to walk outside. You’re allowed to walk through public spaces.
Now I don’t know that stadium but based on the sign and the fact that this is the US I’m gonna assume that the only roads that go to the stadium are 4 or 6 lane highways and it’s outright dangerous to walk there
It’s a joy
I just looked it up on Google maps and yeah, that appears to be the case. All the nearby hotels have highways or a river between them and the stadium.
It is in fact illegal to walk along or across an interstate highway, for safety’s sake. In Germany, would you just casually stroll across the autobahn?
So developed, much freedom
The REASON it’s illegal and dangerous to walk from these hotels is there’s a damn whole canal between here and the stadium and the bridge is a limited-access highway. https://maps.app.goo.gl/5nK4bkNg9fHkWunn7
There isn’t a pedestrian bridge over the canal, that’s why you gotta get a ride.
Sounds like bad planning.
That’s the reason I can’t simply walk to the nearby Denny’s if I wanted to even tho it’s like 3 blocks away; it’s on the otherside of highway 99 and there are no pedestrian crossings for MILES over it.
My FIL randomly got me an e-bike that I can’t use for that exact reason. There’s no way for me to get anywhere from my house without having to cross an extremely busy highway. I could drive the bike to places, but that defeats the purpose.
Ebikes aren’t allowed on roads by me.
In my state bicycles have to ride in the street, and are held to the same rules as motor vehicles.
Same here but e bikes aren’t allowed in the road lane, and almost nowhere has a bike lane or wide shoulder or sidewalk. They’ve essentially outlawed them.
Ah, mine does allow e bikes on both roads and bike lanes, although there are restrictions based on the top speed and how that speed is generated (pedal assist vs throttle assist).
But the restriction is basically just when you need a license, registration, and insurance to operate. Basically anything that’s under 20mph is a bicycle.
How fast would the bike have to go to ride on highways? You’re not going to safely go 60, but 40 might be obtainable if you can buy another battery of the same type, wire it in series, and don’t give it too much current.
You’re definitely shortening the life of everything, but it’s better than no use at all.
I’m 100% not going to go 40+mph on the highway on a bicycle. Luckily they’re building a bypass, so in a year or two I’ll be able to use it.
Big up for not deliberately biting the dust
Wait… What? Riding the bike defeats the purpose of having the bike? I’m confused.
By drive the bike I mean putting it in my truck and bringing it somewhere safe to ride.
Ahhh. Gotchya.
That is literal insanity
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So, why is there no pedestrian bridge?
Holy Shit, making it from the nearest hotel across the canal turns a 1-mile walk into a 6-mile hike =U
That has to be deliberate, there’s no other excuse for it.
American dream
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Deliberate in the sense that someone built a hotel on land that was cheap for reason?
Do you think that the city should engage a billion dollar civil engineering project to build a pedestrian bridge over a navigable canal so that it can serve whoever was dumb enough to build a hotel here?
To be clear, there are like a hundred hotels that you CAN walk to this stadium from, just not this one.
How much extra do you think it would have cost to add an 6’ walkway to the bridge when it was built, merely as a future-proofing mechanism? When your first thought is, “No one would ever want to walk from one side to the other instead of using some kind of transportation,” these are the kind of results you get.
A billion dollars for a pedestrian bridge? That thing had better be made of gold, then.
found some figures about cost of bridge building and apparently if one were to construct a completely new pedestrian overpass/bridge over that canal would be on the ballpark of about 2-10 million dollars
That sounds a lot more reasonable. And that’s a standalone bridge. If you want to be stingy, you could also just have a walkway on the side of the highway bridge. Make sure you’ve got a solid wall between the cars ajd pedestrians, of course.
Keeps the poors out. — Cave Johnson, probably
The canal was there before the hotel, so that’s probably a question for whoever built a hotel in a place that doesn’t make any sense.
NJ DOT controls Rt 3 that goes over the bridge. You can recommend it to them.
lmao fucking americans… “The government won’t let me walk on the highway, that’s the real tyranny!” What a confused bunch.
Also america: driving takes one mile, walking takes 6 miles to get to the same place.
I see some water there. Backpack inflatable kayak?
Its not walking, so fine in the eyes of the law i guess?
To be fair, the road design is literal highways all the way around it making it impossible to safely walk. It’s terrible design and super hazardous to pedestrians but there is a safety reason behind the rule.
They should have been required to build pedestrian bridges and paths. If we didn’t line in a shithole capitalist hellhole.
I mean, there’s a bridge right there. Hang a pedestrian walkway underneath. Plenty of bridges like that where it’s been added after the fact.
But we know, it’ll see roughly 12 people a year actually use it because they’re Americans.
Its also Americans driving on those roads.
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No, it’s not a lie. You literally cannot walk from where this sign is posted to MetLife Stadium while obeying New Jersey traffic laws. And I don’t mean some ad hoc one either; I mean e.g. ones about not playing Frogger across 10 lanes of highway traffic.
That’s not necessarily a lie, it’s illegal to walk on highways almost everywhere.
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“roadways surrounding the stadium” = highways
They didn’t lie; you are misrepresenting what the sign says, though
Wierd thing to nit pick, but you do you.
OP got the picture from either hexbear or X…
It was obviously going to miss the point.
It’s not a law that you can’t walk from a hotel to a stadium, it’s a law that you can’t jaywalk…
https://www.legalfix.com/statutes/state-codes/new-jersey/title-39/section-39-4-34
Likely across a highway/interstate that drink people keep thinking they can cross.
The decision to build a stadium that is completely inaccessible without a vehicle, even if you are staying at a hotel next door, is the point.
Or build a whole fucking multi-lane highway there, but can’t be bothered to make it 6 feet wider so pedestrians and cyclists could use it, too.
For at least a few decades, I’ve been hearing complaints about American city planning intentionally excluding people who choose to, or can do nothing but, walk. Making it mandatory to arrive via automobile, that’s what they’re complaining about.
The first I’d heard of this was a rich area in socal being completely inaccessible to the homeless because it was rimmed entirely by freeways. No way to leave or enter safely without a car and few groceries just outside. A local food desert. Or a food fort
With that said, half of MetLife’s exterior is walkable, according to some maps. A long walk around a freeway is part of it. I’m not a fan of an extra 10 minutes of walking with industrial scenery but it seems fine enough
If there’s a clear need to cross, they should provide a way to cross. That’s how you prevent people improvising their own way.
That’s how you prevent people improvising their own way.
No, that’s how you completely destroy anyone’s ability to get anywhere…
Because no one would ever want to wait, so they’d constantly be widening every path.
Like, how often do you think an NFL game is even played at this one location?
And who’s paying for it?
Does the hotel have to pay for it? The stadium because that’s where people go?
The entire community they taxes even though they’d be the last ones to utilize a bridge that goes from a hotel to a stadium? They’ll already have to deal with the major road closure to build the sky bridge no local will ever use
Like, I understand the spirit of your point and that’s it’s coming from a good place, but you don’t understand any of what goes into just this one narrow aspect that slightly inconviences maybe a couple thousand out of town era 8 days out of the year.
No, the thing I don’t understand is why they wouldn’t build any pedestrian or cycling infrastructure around stadiums and hotels in the first place.
Seems like they should have a shuttle service
I found the exact hotel on google maps and the distance to the stadium seems to be only 1km.
I’m glad my cities stadium is built on top of a train station. And that they close lanes of the surrounding roads for pedestrians to walk on when there’s a big match
I wish their was more infrastructure designed around walking, it makes me sad to see places that are so car oriented, it makes them ugly and unpleasant compared to city’s and country’s that prioritize walking and promotes a health lifestyle instead of driving and sitting in a car all day
I like walking when I’m not in a hurry and the weather is nice, but the weather usually isn’t nice in most parts of the country (the US West Coast is an exception to that). I’m looking at moving to a southern state now and the only reason I’m even considering it is that I would be living in a car-centered area where I wouldn’t have to spend more than a couple of minutes a day outdoors during the summer. Compare that to NYC where I used to live: milder summers, but still hot, and I had no choice but to endure them (and winters, and rainy days) because I couldn’t drive to most places I went to. The unpleasantness of that far outweighs all the advantages of walkable neighborhoods for me.
This comment is truly mindblowing to me!
I do welcome you sharing your perspective, but I also feel like we must be of different species, because I so profoundly cannot relate at all. Fascinating!
I want to clarify that I like spending time outside - while in California I spend at least an hour outdoors on most days. Having to be indoors all summer would be a real sacrifice.
Yea I can understand having a pretty set comfort range, climatewise. If that were my situation, I would be dead set on living in a walkable place in California. I walk and bike from -25 C to 35 C (~0–90 F) and will just put on raingear if needed, that’s freedom for me.
Best just seal yourself in a hermetic box and be done with it, then.
Your city was built by people who walked. Your ancestors just weren’t as delicate and lazy as you are.
Just because I don’t want to endure something unpleasant doesn’t mean I can’t - the argument I’m responding to isn’t that walking is survivable but that it’s preferable.
Those who make peaceful walking impossible make violent jaywalking enevitable
yea it’s like three highways over there - you’d think they’d build a bridge
North Jersey is a wild sprawl of highways. It’s a shame it’s not more pedestrian friendly.
The freedom of cars.
You can try walking through the swampland or over the hills of buried garbage with grass planted on top.
