Remember: Companies don’t learn lessons, they react to profits. They’re 100% gonna boil the frog here.
They already did with 10. At this point even a funny smell is gonna rumble 'em
know who never pushed AI?
Linux.
know who has fixes or useful community support?
Linux.
know who doesn’t scan your desktop every second to scrape your data?
Linux.
know who has the audacity to provide a free product and still doesn’t sell your identity to the lowest bidders?
Linux.
holy shit, it’s almost like Linux is the OS by the people for the people…
i don’t believe it and am no longer giving them the chance to allow me to see it.
and this is why I use Linux. No forced AI nonsense being shoved down my neck.
Messed with Ubuntu maybe a decade ago was the last Linux experience I had until recently replacing win11 with Fedora KDE on my main machine. Honestly feels like a breath of fresh air. Nothing is asking me to sync it to one drive. Everything is snappy and customizable. It’s clean and just feels pleasant to use. Not ever going back.
That was my reaction when I read about them pulling copilot and such. I think it’s probably the reaction of every software nerd.
Too little to late… I already left and fell in love with Linux
Welcome! Isn’t it a breath of fresh air to use an OS that isn’t trying to turn your computer into an advertising and upselling platform? It has its issues, but it’s a huge relief to escape the constant inundation from Microsoft.
(Obligatory: I use arch BTW)
Fucking Arch Users – The Tesla Owners of the Linux World
But thankfully with no Elon
Welcome to the club buddy! we’ve been waiting for you!
Same here. Got fed up after every damned update to subscribe to this, want to setup backup to cloud, setup office. Switched to Linux and now not a single subscription popup in sight. It’s been bliss. Spent the weekend with the misses sorting out 30 years of photos and getting to know exif editor 🫣
[edit] exif not exit editor.
Exactly
Same here, only 9 years ago. On the not so bright side, every few months I go in a distro hopping frenzy for a day or 2 but it’s fine, since any distro installed takes me at most 15 minutes.
My games work, most are better than on Windows. Microsop has noting to offer but ads and malicious bloatware.
Windows 11 felt like a downgrade before all the AI bs. Microsoft values me more as an advertising opportunity than a customer.
I had avoided it until late last year when I had to reinstall a friend’s borked install after it had somehow managed to shred its registry hives.
Holy shit. That installer is an embarrassment. First it couldn’t get past the first reboot until I found out that you can set it to use what looks like the Windows 7 installer for the first steps. Then I had to deal with a dog slow installer that needs half a dozen reboots for some unfathomable reason. Then an endless cavalcade of sales prompts, including one for an Office subscription where they try to hide the price from you. All to end in, well, Windows 11.
I simultaneously installed Fedora Kinoite on his old laptop. I don’t think the Fedora installer is one of the better ones but it was so much easier and faster to set up the machine that it was almost comical.
Seeing both systems side by side really drives home just how clunky Windows is. And how Microsoft installers are barely better than they were 15 years ago, but now they have ads.
I read “reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11” as “finding a more subtle way to shove that botulistic sausage down their customers throats”.
Yeah, exactly, they never said they are removing any AI. Just will be slapping some paint on it.
botulistic sausage
Epic new band name
Or Roblox username!
It does sound kind of like those randomly generated Xbox live usernames from back in the day
I think it’s really easy for Lemmy users to assume that the general population has the same technological interest and literacy that they do.
The Windows 11 users they are talking about are from an /r/pcmasterrace thread.
The vast, vast majority of consumers don’t give a shit. They don’t care enough to even think about whether their computer is actually secure, they don’t care that they don’t own their OS, and they don’t care that AI is being shoved in.
Their computer is a magic box to them, and they don’t care to know more.
The one thing that I disagree with is that most people don’t care about AI being shoved into everything. Studies are consistently showing that the vast majority of people don’t use/hate AI being shoved into everything. 80% of phones users in one study, 90% on another study for DuckDuckGo IIRC, etc.
Fair, but they don’t care enough to do anything about it.
I do think the vast majority of users see things like copliot all over the OS, and then watch their PC run like shit, and assume it’s the new fandagled thing ruining their experience regardless of whether they care about AI or not.
Especially if they update and the entire computer is then broken, like with the recent bug where it would break particular SSDs.
That wasn’t a Microsoft issue. It was a bad driver from the company.
I am not a tech wizard. As soon as my new minipc got home with Windows 11, I installed CachyOS on it. I found out later that it’s based on one of the “difficult” Linux variants, but everything went super smoothly (I might have just been lucky. i don’t know, don’t take this as advice!).
Yes I had to follow a few instructions on creating an installation USB key. That was the hardest part. But my relationship with windows had become too abusive. I do want my computer to “just work” and let me do my stuff, but that’s not what windows is doing any longer
I’m on EndeavourOS, which like CachyOS, is a derivative based on Arch. They smooth over a couple of the things that make Arch difficult: the installation, and initial packages.
Part of what makes Arch difficult is that it updates its repositories very quickly. That’s good in many ways, because you get new features and new drivers more quickly, but sometimes things are buggy or break. From what I’ve heard, it’s honesty fairly rare nowadays, but it’s still a best practice to check archlinux.org before proceeding with a major update.
Anyway, I’m in a very similar boat. I’ve bounced off of Linux for various reasons in the past, but between Linux getting better and Windows getting worse, Linux is the “just works” option for me. It’s not perfect, but any snags I’ve had have been smaller, less frequent, and more often fixable.
thanks for the advice on checking archlinux.org. I’m still fresh and in the honeymoon stage of this and I’m sure I’ll hit some snag at some point!
The general population isn’t even aware that Linux exists.
I’m not saying that installing Linux is something the general population is incapable of. My comment was in response to all of the people astounded that people still use Windows.
And I didn’t mean to disagree with you. I’d be sheepishly part of that general population too if Microsoft hadn’t actively tried so hard to annoy their users. Jumping ship to anything that is not “the default” that comes installed with your machine feels… refreshing after you’ve done it, but scary before.
Ah, thanks for clarifying. I didn’t think you were disagreeing, I just thought I didn’t make my point well enough (which I didn’t since I didn’t reiterate the stance I was referring to).
It’s somehow satisfying to get a brand new machine with Windows pre-installed and never let Windows boot even once. 😎
Arch and its variants(CachyOS, EndeavourOS, and Manjaro) are just “difficult” insofar as they usually need you to understand the basics of using the terminal, and how to look up documentation as needed.
With CachyOS, I haven’t played much with the others so I can’t speak for them, you could get away with using the GUI tools shipped by default for a long time and not have any problems.
If it works for you, that’s what matters! Difficulty is subjective, too.
CachyOS is what I’ll be jumping to. Thanks to the stupid hardware price surge, my initial plan of just buying a new stick of SSD and a bigger HDD for stuff for the move is not viable anymore. So it just takes a while because I’m making sure all the personal data I have on my only stick of SSD still running W10 is safely copied off of it. Not a lot can be done with my current NTFS formated HDD unless I want to gamble with my personal data doing partition magic (I don’t want to gamble).
I’d like to think jumping to an arch based distro with guardrails will help me learn linux safely. I’d have the cachy and arch wiki and forum to learn from.
Honestly, having only seriously played around with Ubuntu a little bit a year ago, CachyOS has been nothing but smooth sailing for me. I would consider myself pretty savvy, but with the built in tools provides even a casual user should be able to get up and going.
I use paru instead of pacman, so I can get AUR packages easily, and outside of running a 4 letter command and following the prompts, that’s just about the only thing I’ve had to do in a terminal.
I’m well versed, been in IT for decades, and my only substantial gripes about 11 (when it launched) were the removal of taskbar features and the capitalism issues with the store, ads, and telemetry. And I suppose the unreliability of the OS to update itself is just fucking embarrassing.
Now with the AI BS and their fuck you, you’ll get nothing and like it attitude, I’m now actively against them. Except for farming and selling your data and not being able to reliably update eating hours of users time, I don’t really care all that much. They’re trying to be secure, they could do a lot better.
Win 10 was serviceable, apps worked, developers tested against it, it wasn’t hard to look after a herd of them. Updates were still shit, but it’s been that way since 8.
But the magical box has changed shape and change is scary.
That’s pretty much the gist of it. Human inertia is a hell of a drug.
i’ll never see it because i’m never using windows again
I stopped seeing all the copilot ai crap after I removed it from my windows 11 computer. Not sure what versions of windows people on here are running but I’m glad it’s not on my PC! It is unfortunate that windows needs to be debloated if you buy home version instead of enterprise (a mistake I made), if they keep making users need to tweak stuff they’ll be better off on linux soon! Windows was supposed to be the idiot proof for office drones but it appears those days are gone.
Not sure what versions of windows people on here are running
No version
Calm down there’s plenty of windows users in this thread lol. I’m sure Lemmy is one of the places that houses a disproportionately large amount of Linux users as most people on the fediverse are more technologically adept than the average joe!
Same!
I’m currently building my business to be platform agnostic.
For the most part I’m using open source for everything that can be.
Bow that I think of it, the only non-open source stuff I use are zoom, outlook (need it for shared inboxes), and my payment processor. I doubt I will move on from these platforms as their value is really good. Zoom is the only one I may transition away from from as costs grow.
I think the best way to turn people on to Linux is to give them a bootable live USB, so they can try it out. Otherwise, they have no basis for comparison.
Too many people just accept whatever Microsoft gives them, shrug and think, “Well, I guess this is just the way computers are.”
The best way from my perspective is to show them.
At tech events and meetups, I’m showing them Linux.
When my friends come over, I show them my self hosted solutions on a Linux.
At work, where we use Macs, we talk about open-source, including Linux.
I like the idea, but unfortunately most PCs don’t boot from USB out of the box. It requires a few easy steps, but this might just be enough for a lot of people not to try it.
The Start menu has gotten worse with every update. It is getting ridiculous.
I can no longer click start > type in the program I need > hit enter.
Start menu, you had one job!Well funnily enough it was already broken even in Windows 10 half of the time, was pretty infuriating. But with Windows 11 they’ve outdone themselves
Why not? What has changed? My start menu functions just as it did in w7, the only gripe I have is that by default it tries to search Internet before PC. Simple solution: disable web search in start menu. Once u configure the w11 start menu properly it’s no different than in precious versions! It is a shame they push the suggested apps and internet search crap but once u debloat it it’s pretty much refreshed 7 with support for modern hardware.
(Not OP.) Sucks that you gotta debloat. I want to say it should be opt in for anything thats not basic function, but I think that’s too extreme. Maybe people out there find the web search function super useful, or they appreciate the adverts or whatever.
Anyhoo, even though I debloat everything like crazy from day one, i find myself debloating something new about once a month or so still.
They do occasionally try to sneak shit back in with updates. I remember w10 re installing Skype every damned update.
My roku does this shit. Pisses me right off.
You are correct, it ‘should’ function like windows 7 through 10. But back then it was a simple extension of the task bar. Now it is a bloated poorly optimised application in it own right. It lags, it crashes, it causes system CPU spikes. Whilst writing my comment I wanted to open Notepad and START went not responding for 10 seconds. Hell, taking a screen shot of it is now effort.
Is your start menu debloated? My prehistoric dual core i5 that isn’t supported for w11 that I forced install on handles it fine. You shouldn’t need to debloat it but once trim the fat it’s fine…
I moved it to the side when 16:9 screens became popular and vertical space was more limited.
Windows 11 removed this feature.
That’s one of its jobs
Another one is to give me the option to turn my computer off but often times I would hit the off button and it wouldn’t actually turn off.
Windows 11 feels like Microsoft is actively punishing me for being foolish enough to keep using their products. Adding some janky AI bullshit machine to this garbage fire feels now they’re just taking the piss.
No joke, one of the last straws for me was their stupid copilot popup on the active cell in Excel. Hated that garbage. Also their refusal to let me just use the file explorer to save my files. Maybe I’m an old fogey, but every new addition felt like a step backwards. I have now switched to Linux and am having a decent time (not for everyone tho and I totes understand if others don’t want to make the switch).
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Microsoft’s promises to fix the OS and stop pushing AI
Never heard such a promise.
