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The US is a malign actor for the US as well. Our government has become a danger to our own citizens.
They have always been. It’s now just impossible to ignore.
Imagine ruining 250 years of a successful democracy so you can line you and your friends pockets with filthy lucre while having sex with tweens. That guy stands for nothing and most of america has lost it’s ability to feel shame or have any empathy. Both human traits.
250 years of a successful democracy
Lmfao. Jim Crow was a successful democracy? Literal slave ownership before that? Invasion of Iraq was successful Democracy? Bombing of Vietnam?
I agree. There is always something dark in most histories of anything and everything. The good old usa did a lot of dirty shit under the guise of their 250 year old successful democracy. Don’t confuse goodness and justice with democracy.
The successful democracy that couldn’t ever implement the overwhelmingly popular universal healthcare?
Not now… Always have been
But now to white people in Europe, too! Not just brown people in South America… and the Middle East… and Southeast Asia… and Africa.
Still the bad joke of the world here.
Biggest prison population, most “asset forfeiture”, most chemically polluted “food” supply, paying the most for worst healthcare, relatively non-existent public transport, hegemonic oligarchy pretending to be democracy spreading democracy by “regime change”, “education” system indoctrinating insularity and ignorance,
[Edit + these the LLM added for me because it’s an exhausting list to manually write] mass shootings as a cultural pastime, student debt as a life sentence, “freedom” measured in gun ownership but not in healthcare access, military budget bigger than the next ten countries combined, “infrastructure week” as a recurring punchline, two-party system that’s just one party with two heads, “justice” system that’s a revolving door for the rich and a trapdoor for the poor, “American Dream” now just a subscription service with hidden fees, [Edit: and the list can go on for at least twice as long again yet.]
and a corporate monopoly media to bind peoples minds by.
… “land of the free”, “USA number one!”.
XD
Imagine the day everybody wakes up to the situation,
and does not fall for having their awakening psyop’ed into another divisive perverse managed groupthink.
they’ll just let the sauds blow up another skyscraper or 2 and invade some entirely unrelated country
it’s been the same playbook for the last 50 years
Wake up and do what? Most Americans are so individualistic they couldn’t plan a heist let alone a political movement.
Trapped in an endless cycle of jingoistic rugged individualism trying to all vote with their wallets.
For one example,
Wake up to that fact, and do something about it, like learning how to not be that, and how to do… well, not that [plan a heist ~ lol], but something else, something beneficial, to get out of the trap. I don’t know what. Maybe put a sign up saying “Want to start an amish community with me?” *shrug*
PS, 2 other tidbits that reminds me of… 1st, in my teens (decades ago), I graffiti’d on a friend’s wall art of the american flag, the phrase “one dollar, one vote”, and the friend welcomed satirical calling-out. and the 2nd, “It must be a trap” “Then why are you still going?” “I want to find out what kind of a trap it is.”, from Akira always sticks in my mind. :D
[Edit: OH! Or… to answer your
Wake up and do what?
question another way…
just exactly as I said:
not fall for having their awakening psyop’ed into another divisive perverse managed groupthink.
Do that.]
The triumph of disinformation, greed, and self-centered ultraconservatism; a country about to implode.
It could come to your country too unless you take action. I see so many other countries making the same mistakes we do here and it makes me so sad knowing that this could be their fate too unless they make different decisions.
The truth is I notice in Europe they too in my opinion haven’t done enough to combat disinformation for sure they’re better than we are but it’s not enough.
What we need is for every child to be taught as much as possible about critical thinking, propaganda and disinformation. The quality of education children get is super important. In addition I believe emotional resilience must be taught in schools somehow.
Please for everyone reading this contact your politicians or your school board and demand more done to combat disinformation.
Also remember we are all in this together. Look at all the Trump copycats there are in the world. Look at how Trump learned from Hungary and Russia. Because they were not stopped in one country they feel safe doing it in another. We as people must support each other and stand up for each other when bad things are happening somewhere because when something bad happens to someone else it could one day be you it happens to.
It could come to your country too unless you take action.
I’m in a developing country already out of the shadow of a gun-toting jackass who nearly sold us out to China, no thanks to disinformation, and currently having to deal with politicians and businessmen ripping off the government in infrastructure money.
The US may soon have the hardest fall unless something drastic happens.
That’s a tough situation, I really hope things get better for you there!
I agree, we really need to course correct now or it will be terrible!
Shshshsh!
This is UMURIKA!
You’re supposed to blame everything wrong on “the left”, or, “commies”.
God damn socialists
That’s the spirit! XD
The real shock to Americans will be when they discover this can’t be fixed.
Americans want to believe that relations will return to normal once the democrats are back in power. But, they don’t understand that the loss of trust in the US is permanent. Sure, if the democrats take back power and want to negotiate trade deals, other countries may sign them. They’re just not going to believe that the US can be trusted to honour the terms of those trade deals, and will structure the deals accordingly. Trump’s 2 terms show that a treaty signed by the US is meaningless, because a president like Trump can come along and just rip it up. They’ve also showed that support for someone Trump-like is close enough to 50% that it can easily happen again.
The momentum of international trade, and the vast power the US wields means that there won’t be a sudden cutting off of the US. But, bit by bit, even former staunch allies are going to start slowly pivoting away from the US whenever possible no matter who’s elected and how big a landslide it is.
Trump has ripped up or tried to cancel deals he made in his first term. Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me. Nothing can be trusted from this administration or any one to come
Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me
It’s because they don’t really have a choice. If it were say, Australia, that had gone off the rails, they could just be ignored. But, the US is still such a central part of the world’s economy, and there are so many important companies based out of the US, that it’s not possible just to pull the plug. In addition, if countries didn’t negotiate with Trump he might see it as a slight and send in the navy to interdict “drug boats” or something.
This also makes things look like they’re better than they are. People see trade deals being negotiated and think "well, if that’s happening, then things aren’t that far gone. The reality is that countries used to negotiate trade deals with the US because, even when they felt they were being pressured to cave to US demands, they could at least count on the US to more-or-less honour the terms of the deal when it was done. I think countries are now dealing with the US because they have to, but they’re really just going through the motions, not expecting that the result will actually be a binding agreement.
About nations not having a choice there is truth to that but I want to focus on something nations can do to. Study in particular which companies support Trump the most and work to find replacements for those. For example the fossil fuel industry is a significant backer of Trump and Republicans. This means countries who are rightfully upset about Trump and buy fossil fuels from the US should make switching to renewable energy a huge priority maybe even do it at cost or subsidize the transition. This means fossil fuel companies will have less money and less to give to Republicans.
Also for people who live in blue states contact your state politicians and demand a faster transition to renewables too.
Good. Obviously it was wrong to trust the US this entire time. It’s time to dismantle the post-WW2 American dominance over the world, and move toward a more multilateral future. This process feels scary and might be quite difficult, but it’s important and it’s time. No one country should be considered the world’s policeman or supreme authority. I just hope that everyone shaking their head at the US realizes that they can only sit there doing that for so long, because the very next thing they need to urgently do is step the fuck up into that leadership vacuum before dictators do.
Will it really be a multilateral future though? Or will it be a Chinese future?
A multilateral future would be great, but multilateral alliances aren’t very stable. Just look at how Orban is disrupting what the EU wants to do, even though Hungary is a relatively small and weak country in Europe. Or, look how toothless European regulations are when Ireland just refuses to enforce things like the GDPR, so the tech companies just declare themselves as Irish.
Meanwhile China seems very unified and their mixture of a command economy and a market economy has been very effective so far. I don’t think the Chinese model is all bad. They’ve been massively effective at doing things like building high speed rail, developing and deploying solar panels, etc. OTOH, the Great Firewall and CCTV state is not how I would like to live.
Without the US, I don’t know how well the rest of the world will be able to resist China. I think Australia might be the canary in the coal mine. I think China considers Australia to be in its sphere of influence and will try to put more and more pressure on it. Australia’s outlook on the world is much more similar to Europe, but it’s geographically really far away.
Americans do not take the situation seriously. They either think they have no power to personally fix it, so contributing to any effort is pointless, or that it’s just more of the same politics as before and can’t tell the difference. They are encouraged to stay out of the way because they are the only force that seems to be capable of stopping it at this point.
Once Trump and the GOP destroy the framework of power the constitution defines, there are no rules anymore, only power, and the constitution really does mean nothing. The relationship America built with the world since WW1 will be over and won’t return as democratic nations can not remain interdependent with a fascist America. America will be another authoritarian regime using violence as the solution to every problem, including domestic problems. Those problems will only increase because an authoritarian leadership is functionally incapable of managing a non-authoritarian system. America will transition, painfully and violently, to a fascist state and the dream that was America will be dead. All at the hands of a TV show personality and the generations raised by TV, which is both sad and painfully American.
Edit: Not enough Americans…
I take it seriously and I encourage anyone to know they have the power to make a difference. If you can find who’s encouraging people to stay out of the way please let everyone here know so we can fight against those people.
Also you’re right if Trump stays in power longer it will be very grim not just for the people in the US but also for the entire world because look at how Trump is terrorizing other countries. Look at how he’s basically a slave to Putin and abandoning Ukraine. Look at how he’s grabbing people on the streets. If we don’t fight this will get worse.
Maybe the US won’t become fascist. Maybe the democrats will win in a landslide and reform things so that no rogue president can do what Trump did ever again.
But, even in that unlikely scenario, the trust the world had with the US has already been burned, and isn’t coming back easily. It’s obvious that other countries might try to avoid doing deals with a corrupt, fascist USA. But, what’s less obvious is that thanks to Trump, countries also won’t want to do deals with an apologetic, democratic, tolerant, liberal, honest USA. That USA can get voted out of office and replaced with a fascist in just one election cycle, and all the deals mean nothing when that happens.
i mean, some of us legitimately have next to no power. or have good operational security.
me, i have 3,000 miles distance between me and krasnov at any given time and putting in a lisa novak style cannonball run would be sure to tip someone or something off. I’m going to leave it to someone closer.
This is the other problem with Americans. You think the next step after words is going in guns blazing. Your media is full of it, so it’s no wonder you’re brainwashed into believing it. It’s why there are so many mass shootings. Someone disagrees with someone else and reaches for his gun.
That’s not the next step. The next steps are to organize, protest, disrupt, disobey, obstruct. You can do all that from your own city.
Just be a part of a group who are trying. That’s it. Nobody needs to action hero a solution with a fist fight finale.
that is what russia/putin achieved with KRASNOV. who do you think is the real backers of P2025 is,. the smart ones already fleeing a sinking ship that is US, scientists/ MD in specialities, but not for any degree lower than that
Absolutely. This regime has shown how fragile the relationship is, and how untrustworthy the USA is as a partner.
once the democrats are back in power
This little phrase reminded me: I find it interesting how this is just assumed by many people as an eventuality when we’ve already seen a failed coup attempt last time an election ousted the Republican regime. There is this underlying faith in the liberal democracy of the US, since despite its huge flaws, it hasn’t failed in over a century. Similar with all the people who call for impeachment, police arresting ICE and other legal mechanisms.
It’s silly to trust government institutions to save one from an openly, brazenly malicious government.
I find it interesting how this is just assumed by many people as an eventuality when we’ve already seen a failed coup attempt last time an election ousted the Republican regime.
Oh yeah, I think there’s a solid chance that the democrats will never get back in power again. That, even if they win the popular vote by a massive margin, Trump will pull the developing country dictator trick and declare the results invalid and refuse to leave office. And that’s assuming that people are even allowed to vote. What I was suggesting was the best possible outcome for people who still believe that this whole thing can be rescued. Even under those circumstances, I think you’re going to see countries trying to pivot away from the US because the idea that the US can commit to anything that lasts more than maybe 2 years is obviously untrue.
They’re just not going to believe that the US can be trusted
Yup. The damage to the American brand is permanent, and that will become painfully clear when the post-tariff trade deals take effect within the next year and a half and trade routes itself around the US rather than through it.
The worst part is it won’t affect Donald in any meaningful way, because his perception of reality is wedded to his algorithm and his wealth makes him untouchable.
At least in my circles, I think we’re aware? People are looking real hard at ways to leave. We’ve also got a higher than usual chance of reforming/refurbishing some of those broken guard rails. Fingers crossed.
The folks supporting Trump, on the other hand, already believed that these relationships were dead and bad. They’ll scapegoat somebody else for the decay; I do not see the avenue for this to be a learning experience.
I’m specifically talking about Americans thinking that the rest of the world will get over this. I think that trust has been broken.
Like you talk about broken guard rails. The US has been lecturing the world on how the US system of democracy is the best for decades now. There’s always talk about how there’s a system of checks and balances, and how US democracy can be messy, but in the end it’s a system that works. I don’t think anybody believes that anymore. The guard rails were always an illusion, and even if all of Trump’s changes were rolled back, the rest of the world would know that the guard rails, and the checks and balances are all just an elaborate delusion.
And I guess I’m specifically reporting on my circle of american’s, who are both aware that we’ve burned a lot of goodwill and trust (though tbh, I’d hoped the trust was lost already after trump 1…).
The checks and balances held for Trump 1 relatively, and held for previous abuses before that (at least, sufficiently that folks would let the US say such things). I don’t think it’s obvious that they are irrepairable/irreplaceable: we could have a revolution and rebuild from scratch, as an extreme example. It is obvious that systems must change to do so; reorganizing the supreme court, changing campaign finance, etc. If they change, and how much, idk what to expect. But I think ~half the country knows it’ll take serious reforms, and it still wont put the US back where it was. Trust != systems.
Yeah, trust has been burned and it’s not coming back quickly. Maybe reform the systems and trust will eventually be built back. But, by that time the US won’t be a major power anymore, so it won’t matter as much.
Major power computations I think are harder. I agree the US is falling, but I don’t think I’ve seen a serious analysis claiming that the US will become merely a power amongst a few dozen others anytime in the next few decades? We’re about to become much poorer and less diplomatically influential, but still nukes, still the huge military spending, still capitalists with hands in other economies?
At least in Europe most of our governments have made it amply clear that they would return to the status quo in a heartbeat. With some concessions, sure, and there’s a lot of market related damage that they couldn’t undo if they wanted to but the general sentiment seems to be that “we had a good thing going”. Trump is entirely unpredictable as a partner but I don’t see things as hopeless long term.
he has been predictable with putin, and the ME though, only with them.
I also get that perception, at least what they’re showing outwards, but it’s starting to feel like the EU is actually starting to plan for a future that has at least a much smaller dependence on the US.
I think for the pragmatic diplomats, it makes sense to show you’re willing to go back to the old way of doing things because it might make the transition less painful, you get to keep at least some of the benefits and goodwill while you prepare to move away from them.
However, I also think there are unfortunately a lot of spineless (and greedy) people in power who would go back to, for example, a president Newsom in a heartbeat despite the risks it poses.
I think you can see the more open signs of shying away from American products, with Europe starting to officially adopt FOSS software like Linux or LibreOffice. That is a relatively easy change to make, since there is less physical logistics involved with the transition.
Material things, like shipments of manufactured goods for the F-35 program, would become evident in a decade or so, IMO.
Once is a surpise. But twice?
No, EU leaders, the sensible ones at least, understand that the US cannot be relied upon anymore. It doesn’t matter if Ds return to power. The US is bipolar. Unless they fundamentally change their electoral system, the chance of this happening again is basically 50/50.
EU is disentangling from the US, and rightly so.
It’s more than changing just the electoral system too. It’s reforming the way that justices are chosen for the supreme court, and how long they serve. It’s reforming the power the president’s office has over entities like the department of justice. It’s massive reforms over money in politics.
Basically, to have any chance for meaningful change, the US would have to undertake a system of massive constitutional amendments. And there hasn’t been an amendment in more than 50 years… and that last one was a fairly benign change to the voting age.
yes, indeed. basically, there’s just no fucking way. America is loathed to admit it’s wrong and change on a GOOD DAY.
This this THIS!! ^^^
I think they are deliberately trying to anger and not just being incompetent.
Why are they doing this? There’s money to be made with this somehow, and it has to be a LOT of money, so obviously the USA is planning to fuck them over financially in some bigly fashion.
Seizing every nation’s accounts would be my best guess, but I thought Trump would lose so what do I know.
IDK, it seems almost transparent to me those in control of the US are doing a racketeering-like thing to solicit bribes, and doing whatever whoever bribes them the most wants. They aren’t thinking on a national level, just personal; and would burn the US or any other country to the ground to gain more power and wealth.
Dong ding ding! The US went from being a covert to an overt kleptocracy. Now you know what it’s like to live in the Balkans during the 90s.
if only the blue states will balkanize.
This time tho we’re keeping the nukes.
So, Musk and Bezos and Saudi Arabia? My top 3 suspects
🌎👩🚀🔫👩🚀
but yeah, that’s what i’m saying. you are the baddies.
How about Trump & the five people who like him… THEY’RE the baddies.
I can’t help that I was born in USA 😢 I don’t want to be a baddie.
Same here, born here too. We have to keep fighting and make the best of things. I don’t blame people for saying these things but I wish people would take real actions instead of just talking among themselves and saying “it can’t be fixed” or “it won’t change”.
What’s at stake is if we don’t fight we’ll risk turning into the next Nazi regime and cause untold suffering all around the world. So for those people who sit in the comfort of their homes in a another country they may not realize that one day the repression advocated by the Trump regime may come to them personally so everyone in the world must do all they can to put a stop to this now.
There’s a lot we can do. The solution is to identify what pillars of support are holding up Trump and what can be removed the easiest. One part of the solution is boycotting companies that donate a lot to Republican campaigns. For example boycotting Twitter and Tesla can make a big impact on this and boycotting right-wing media like Fox “News”, CBS etc. Urge people to exclude right-wing websites from their Google Adwords account.
it’s your responsibility to help change things for the better, then.
if it were just a couple of people and just trump. this would not be an issue. it goes way deeper.
it’s your responsibility to help change things for the better
Yeah, we know. We’re working on it.
“IT’S A PUPPET!” – Brian Conley
Bruh, for most of the US the US is a malign actor.
No no, just keep chanting “USA! Number one!” more often again. That’ll mend it. LOL. Or at least just give us all a good laugh at you. Always funny when you guys do that. Like “this is fine” wasn’t strong enough.
I hear you. This isn’t fine.
However those of us that are not willing to give up and let MAGA and the Claremont conservatives win should not cede patriotism. Symbols are important.
It’s our country and it is great because people stood up and defended it.
Now is our turn to defend freedom.
The MAGA peeps are not your tyrant to overthrow. They’re people with the same principle you espouse with:
It’s our country and it is great because people stood up and defended it.
Now is our turn to defend freedom.
The sooner people realise that, the better, for ceasing falling for pitchforks vs torches, and realising the man behind the curtain; realising the emperor wears no clothes.
This is no time for pitchforks vs torches.
Spread the word. Stop falling for it.
The lesser-consequence differences that divide you are trumped up by your oppressor, to keep you divided and conquered. Stop falling for it. Unite for freedom. Stop uniting with authoritarian curated divisive groupthink. Every little of this helps.
For most of the world, capital is a malign actor and the US has the highest concentration.
Unironically
Thanks to MAGA, the 1st World views the USA on the same level as Russia, China and their allies. The article is spot on in regard to the future.
Speaking as an American I expect to be fucked by this for the rest of my life (and rightfully so) if one jackass getting put in office can fuck things up this badly we shouldn’t be trusted as an ally or trade partner. There’s a lot of work to be done to ensure this can’t happen again and I don’t believe it will ever happen. At least not anytime soon. We are at the peak (I hope) of the weakest of weak men times.
A public display to the world, say like the Nuremberg Trials 2.0 for the Trump admin would be helpful.
That would be pretty dope.
helpful to the crooks doing the puppeteering, to get away with it, with their fallguy puppets taking the blame, while they bask in the grace of an appeased and placated populace, free to safely perpetrate their cons another day.
if one jackass getting put in office
Twice. TWICE!!
You say you don’t believe it will ever happen. I know things can feel tough and discouraging sometimes but I learned that if I take action each day I feel a lot better and it gives me hope that things will get better. Each day you make choices and those choices determine what kind of country you want to live in. If you want to live in a country that never recovers from this, that oppresses people, violates human rights and causes untold global suffering you can choose to do nothing or leave comments on social media saying that things won’t change or there’s nothing that we can do.
Or you can choose to make a difference. How you make a difference will depend on the person. But here’s what I can suggest: try to make your daily actions support moving the country into the right direction by having conversations with people, education others how to make a difference and boycott Trump-aligned companies and put pressure on and encourage organizations, institutions, companies and people to stand up to Trump.
Ceasing using Twitter can make a difference. Telling someone who says he/she might buy a Tesla not to do it makes a difference.
Asking a restaurant showing Fox News on their TV to change the channel can help.
Joining a protest can help.
Volunteering to knock on doors for your local Democrats can make a huge difference!
Even choosing to exercise more and sleep well can help because it will help you fight what’s going on better.
Whatever you do no matter how small it adds up. Courage is contagious.
Also super important you vote in every election and primary and make sure you’re registered to vote. Urge likeminded friends and family to do likewise. Offer them a ride if transportation is an issue.
Now I ask you: Which one will it be for you? Will you choose to make a difference or will you not?
I mean, I do most of those things. Although the Dem options around here are all basically Republican-lite. I just don’t think it’s going to make much of a difference in the way the rest of the world interacts with us. Trump and his cronies have burnt every bridge and it’s going to take a very long time for those to be repaired even if we somehow never get another shithead in office which I don’t think is likely at all. Things are going to have to get very very bad for most people to get their heads out of their asses and start holding politicians accountable and stop treating it like a fucking game.
Thank you so much for everything you do! I understand not all Democrats are perfect either but we have chances to make change there too including using the primary process to remove corrupt politicians.
The puppet master bankers will have their puppets do their bidding and take the blame for it.
Maybe the solution space is further upstream yet.
It sucks.
And it was preventable, if we actually held legislators accountable for what they do. People, over the course of the last 40 years came to care about team color more than anything else.
No shit. Ostracize the hellhole.
bin laden warned us!!! !!! !!! !!!
when he was known as tim osman? or after?
If you only consider Europe most the world it would be true bit no the usa beem a malign actor for several decades
I was gonna say, only now? I’m in the US and can see it’s been a bad actor since at least the end of WW2.
The Native Americans called about their genocide way before WWII.
I suspect when our founding fathers were blowing up and murdering their fellow colonists as seen in the Sons of Liberty they were bad actors.
Before WWII was also very bad
for being riddled with both genocide and [for want of a better word] tyranny*.
[* suppression of hemp and other emancipatory technologies, segregation, slavery, jingoism and coups, corruption, robber barons, colonialism and more genocide, etc]
Banana Republics come to mind. But during the time frame the US was doing that, Most of Europe was still doing their own colonialisms.
It was only when Hitler brought colonialism back to Europe that they started to wake up to how bad it was. Well, some of them. France and England had to start losing colonial wars, mostly due to losses suffered in due to WW2, before they slowly started freeing colonies.
Just shows that everyone is shit, and cheering for a team is kind of stupid.
For sure, but was it our primary internal relationship before?
If that was a typo and you mean international, then certainly for Spanish speaking, African, and nearby countries as well as china (which is all we could manage at that time, though we probably would have aggressed Europe as well if we could have). If you’re talking about domestic, then yes if you weren’t the right kind of Christian white man.
I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent. USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.
Let’s not talk about South America.
I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent.
No, it wasn’t. It was meant to stop the URSS from expanding further west, and as a bonus shackle the rebuild countries as loyal lapdogs that attended to any and every USA whim.
USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.
Mostly posturing. If the USA were serious about benefitting Africa they’d do something similar to what China is doing right now, partnering and building infrastructure, instead merciless exploitation and throwing a few breadcrumbs here and there.
Let’s not talk about South America.
But we should. What the USA has done here can only be labelled as evil. Overthrowing governments left and right, supporting murderous dictatorships, merciless exploitation like what it did in Africa as well. Foul, evil stuff.
I was gonna say, only now?
We love to play the “Obama/Biden were the good ones, they knew how to bomb people and sanction countries ethically” game.
For all Trump’s poison, he was dead to rights on the idea of the Deep State - the core bureaucracy of the US government that demands global hegemony and just can’t decide how to achieve it.
Trump’s been miserable at executing hegemony the liberal way. And we’re expected to believe this will make his administration a failure.
But then you look at fascist Middle Eastern states expanding their territory, South American dictatorships sprouting like weeds, and far-right parties gaining ground all over Europe. Hard to ignore that Palantir is doing just fine. White Nationalists are having a heyday from Texas to Tel Aviv.
Clearly, US hegemony is expanding, just not in the way the Clinton/Cheney neocons imagined it.
Corporate Media can’t seem to decided whether we’re undergoing a fascist takeover or finally Making America Great Again.
I dread to read what the history books say about our country in another ten years, knowing what kind of fucked up AI is writing them today.
That’s not what Trump has ever meant by the “deep state”.
Trump complained that a secret inner cabal of career bureaucrats would oppose him. And he wasn’t wrong. The various federal agencies are a seven layer dip of careerist holdovers from prior administrations, many of who were hostile to his brand of politics for one reason or another.
Trump’s framing of the existence and internal opposition by career bureaucrats was that of some insidious anti-American cabal. But the fundamental problem is one every new President faces. Namely, the Burrowing In of political appointees to civil service career roles.
This isn’t a new problem, either. Thomas Jefferson was complaining about the problem hires left behind under the Adams administration. Burrowed-in Democrats plagued Lincoln for much of his tenure and were behind many of the smears aimed at Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion (an Eisenhower-era plot that cost Allen Dulles his job when it humiliated JFK).
How presidents deal with recalcitrant career staffers and opposition party moles can define their administrations. This isn’t a problem Trump just made up. It’s one he doesn’t know how to deal with gracefully.
hostile to his brand of politics for one reason or another.
Because his brand of “politics” is dumb, destabilizing shit that’s bad for America and Americans. That is what they’re there for, to serve the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America.
Trump only serves himself, Putin, and indirectly, Xi.
Also, did you just link me Trump admin propaganda justifying their firing of anyone not loyal to the furher?
Because his brand of “politics” is dumb, destabilizing shit that’s bad for America and Americans.
We’ve had dumb, destabilizing policies in this country since its founding. That’s got nothing to do with the politics of the civil services. Plenty of civil servants are full-on MAGA adherents (and have been even before his first election in '16). Plenty more are die-hard Hillarycrat Libs who have dragged the country in another direction. Trump’s game is to stack his MAGA cronies above the Hillarycrats withint compromising the function of the civil service entirely, rendering it useless.
Trump only serves himself, Putin, and indirectly, Xi.
Jesus fuck dude. Have you really been watching US politics for this long and still not seen Trump acting in the explicit interests of the American billionaire class? Why do you think the Chinese President is closer to his heart than the people he pulled into his own cabinet - Lutnick, McMahon, Vought, and Loeffler? Nevermind Peter Thiel, a man who has become the nation’s premiere military contractor over the last year.
Nevermind fucking Israel.
How are you liberals this fucking blind? Trump’s CIA is systematically picking apart what’s left of Russian industry. His Pentagon is fixated on purging Chinese businesses from the Western Hemisphere. His Treasury has made cryptocurrency speculation a central tenant of fiscal policy. But y’all can’t stop saying “Foreign Men Did This” every time you look at your own decayed socio-economic system.
Also, did you just link me Trump admin propaganda
Go Lib Out to the WaPo if that’s your poison of choice.
Or reference Congress.gov for an official definition.
Or just bury your head in the sand for another four years.
You’re also blind if you just say “America bad” at every opportunity. No, many of the things he’s doing are absolutely not in the interest of the billionaire class. How do you think bringing back measles benefits them?
Some of the dumb ones might think the pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates is good for their bottom line, but they’re idiots.
All of them will suck up to him regardless, for survival. It doesn’t mean they think everything he’s doing is right by them.
And yes, he’s serving some of them, particularly Peter Thiel. But he’s mostly serving Putin and himself.
We have a wealth disparity/capitalism problem. We have a Trump problem. There’s some overlap, yes, but they’re not the same.
And even Hillary isn’t the devil incarnate you think she is. She’d be more content with the status quo than I’d like, and I voted for Bernie over her, but she’s not part of some grand conspiracy to keep the American people down.
usa beem a malign actor
tru dat
I mean, “now” is doing a lot of load-bearing work in that sentence, but it’s also hard to argue it isn’t markedly worse than it used to be.
I guess unless you’re Russia and their circle. I’m starting to wonder about China, too, considering the geopolitical wedgie they’re giving the US right now.
It is only worse for europe, it was always as bad for the rest of the world. The article make it seems like europe is most of the world. Europe and canada has a history of pretending to oppose the USA foreign policies in the rest of the world while supporting it in secret
Buuuullshit.
Utter garbage.
Extremely nope.
It takes deliberate ignorance to reach that conclusion. Forget the cuts in aid, which an article two posts up the chain here was directly linking to a worsening of cholera in South Sudan, the notion that anybody in Brazil or Mexico is going “I can’t tell the difference” is ludicrous. Your mileage may vary on whether Trump invading Venezuela is a good or a bad thing, but I’m pretty sure the regime there isn’t going “same thing, really”.
I guess the Argentitian government would say things are better now, considering they just got bailed out in what amounts to buying a midterm election. In that case I’d wager it’s the opposition who doesn’t find things were just as bad a couple years ago.
What the hell do you have to be on to think only Europe has noticed open fascists being in charge in the US. This is why I’ve been taking a break from this place, holy crap.
The aids that rsf and israel can block whenever they like thanks to the usa allowing them no matter who is in power.
I hate to compare terrible things but do you really believe that currently what happening in Venezuela is worst than the destruction of Libya, the iraq war, the afghanistan war etc which canada and europe was complicit with the USA?
Do you also really believe that europe and canada cares about Sudan? Their goddamn weapons are found in Sudan and they have no sanctions on the UAE
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to look at things that way. The leap of logic from a tangible action to… some other thing that happened requires keeping the loosest possible tally and looking at international politics strictly from the lens of how it affects your worldview, rather than the actual impact on the ground.
No, my dear online performative leftist, the US deciding to reverse their policy and cut tens of billions of international aid is not “the same” as whatever war, political stance or act of interference you vaguely remember being mad about a decade ago. They can both be bad without both being the same.
I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush, in turn the proto-Trump that opened the door for the fascist base to encroach on the US right, the fact that those things happened doesn’t mean that the new, different thing Trump did that none of his predecessors did isn’t worse than what their predecessors were doing. The people that relied on US aid relied on US aid, independently of whatever US tanks were doing thousands of kilometers away.
Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel, incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place. Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes, but if you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind.
And this is the last I say about it. I have zero patience for this type of willful ignorance in general, but I also have no energy to be angry. Thanks for the reminder that leaving even a tiny crack for US politics, even if it’s coming from the left, is way too much. The entire thing is toxic. Malign actor indeed.
You have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to excuse the other American war criminals and American imperialist history before the war criminal Trump took power
The USA is complicit in those conflicts yo claim to care about and you think the aids that get blocked by the USA allies excuses the sale of weapons or diplomatic protections to those allies
I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush
The war started by Bush but was supported by both the democrats cult and the republican cult and continued during the dems
Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel Trump did not reverse the policy regarding Israel . Like always genocide Trump are just making the usa real intention loud. The policy of the USA was always for Israel to maintain occupation and genocide Palestinians.
incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place.
The recognition of Jerusalem is not what is killing Palestinians it is the billions that the USA gives to Israel no matter if it is the democrats and republicans are in power and on the ground Israel effectively control all Gaza , all the west bank and all Jerusalem.
Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes
What are those stupid soft words and injecting subjectivity on objective situation. You should say I condemn Biden and trump support for the genocide and I condemn Trump support for the genocide which is the position I support
If you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind
Democrats support secretly the mass displacement of Palestinians. Again there is no real major difference between democrats and republicans
During Biden 81% of all structures was affected. 90% of schools, 83% of mosques , 60-88% of health, education and water facilities. 68% of farmland damaged, 79% of it in north Gaza and 57% in Rafah . Yet you shamelessly minimize Biden complicity
Like I started you have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
For the record, not an American. Which, you know, I thought was obvious from my post, but hey.
I’d add that there’s a difference between caring about outcomes and not having values but, honesly, this is not a conversation worth having.
Yeah this isn’t really headline news, unfortunately.
Way more than several decades. They startded in the South-East Asia more than a century ago. Latin America shortly after.
