• mrdown@lemmy.world
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    The aids that rsf and israel can block whenever they like thanks to the usa allowing them no matter who is in power.

    I hate to compare terrible things but do you really believe that currently what happening in Venezuela is worst than the destruction of Libya, the iraq war, the afghanistan war etc which canada and europe was complicit with the USA?

    Do you also really believe that europe and canada cares about Sudan? Their goddamn weapons are found in Sudan and they have no sanctions on the UAE

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      It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to look at things that way. The leap of logic from a tangible action to… some other thing that happened requires keeping the loosest possible tally and looking at international politics strictly from the lens of how it affects your worldview, rather than the actual impact on the ground.

      No, my dear online performative leftist, the US deciding to reverse their policy and cut tens of billions of international aid is not “the same” as whatever war, political stance or act of interference you vaguely remember being mad about a decade ago. They can both be bad without both being the same.

      I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush, in turn the proto-Trump that opened the door for the fascist base to encroach on the US right, the fact that those things happened doesn’t mean that the new, different thing Trump did that none of his predecessors did isn’t worse than what their predecessors were doing. The people that relied on US aid relied on US aid, independently of whatever US tanks were doing thousands of kilometers away.

      Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel, incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place. Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes, but if you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind.

      And this is the last I say about it. I have zero patience for this type of willful ignorance in general, but I also have no energy to be angry. Thanks for the reminder that leaving even a tiny crack for US politics, even if it’s coming from the left, is way too much. The entire thing is toxic. Malign actor indeed.

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        You have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country

        It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to excuse the other American war criminals and American imperialist history before the war criminal Trump took power

        The USA is complicit in those conflicts yo claim to care about and you think the aids that get blocked by the USA allies excuses the sale of weapons or diplomatic protections to those allies

        I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush

        The war started by Bush but was supported by both the democrats cult and the republican cult and continued during the dems

        Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel Trump did not reverse the policy regarding Israel . Like always genocide Trump are just making the usa real intention loud. The policy of the USA was always for Israel to maintain occupation and genocide Palestinians.

        incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place.

        The recognition of Jerusalem is not what is killing Palestinians it is the billions that the USA gives to Israel no matter if it is the democrats and republicans are in power and on the ground Israel effectively control all Gaza , all the west bank and all Jerusalem.

        Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes

        What are those stupid soft words and injecting subjectivity on objective situation. You should say I condemn Biden and trump support for the genocide and I condemn Trump support for the genocide which is the position I support

        If you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind

        Democrats support secretly the mass displacement of Palestinians. Again there is no real major difference between democrats and republicans

        During Biden 81% of all structures was affected. 90% of schools, 83% of mosques , 60-88% of health, education and water facilities. 68% of farmland damaged, 79% of it in north Gaza and 57% in Rafah . Yet you shamelessly minimize Biden complicity

        Like I started you have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country

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          For the record, not an American. Which, you know, I thought was obvious from my post, but hey.

          I’d add that there’s a difference between caring about outcomes and not having values but, honesly, this is not a conversation worth having.

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            That’s even worse following foreign cults . You are minimizing one of the two genocide enablers while I condemn both genocide Joe and Genocide Trump equally. Again you have no values.

            I backed by claims with stats showing that the majority of Gaza damage happened during Biden and I think there is enough change that Gaza won’t exists by the end of Trump presidency because he has the exact same policies as Biden