At least in Europe most of our governments have made it amply clear that they would return to the status quo in a heartbeat. With some concessions, sure, and there’s a lot of market related damage that they couldn’t undo if they wanted to but the general sentiment seems to be that “we had a good thing going”. Trump is entirely unpredictable as a partner but I don’t see things as hopeless long term.
I also get that perception, at least what they’re showing outwards, but it’s starting to feel like the EU is actually starting to plan for a future that has at least a much smaller dependence on the US.
I think for the pragmatic diplomats, it makes sense to show you’re willing to go back to the old way of doing things because it might make the transition less painful, you get to keep at least some of the benefits and goodwill while you prepare to move away from them.
However, I also think there are unfortunately a lot of spineless (and greedy) people in power who would go back to, for example, a president Newsom in a heartbeat despite the risks it poses.
I think you can see the more open signs of shying away from American products, with Europe starting to officially adopt FOSS software like Linux or LibreOffice. That is a relatively easy change to make, since there is less physical logistics involved with the transition.
Material things, like shipments of manufactured goods for the F-35 program, would become evident in a decade or so, IMO.
No, EU leaders, the sensible ones at least, understand that the US cannot be relied upon anymore. It doesn’t matter if Ds return to power. The US is bipolar. Unless they fundamentally change their electoral system, the chance of this happening again is basically 50/50.
It’s more than changing just the electoral system too. It’s reforming the way that justices are chosen for the supreme court, and how long they serve. It’s reforming the power the president’s office has over entities like the department of justice. It’s massive reforms over money in politics.
Basically, to have any chance for meaningful change, the US would have to undertake a system of massive constitutional amendments. And there hasn’t been an amendment in more than 50 years… and that last one was a fairly benign change to the voting age.
At least in Europe most of our governments have made it amply clear that they would return to the status quo in a heartbeat. With some concessions, sure, and there’s a lot of market related damage that they couldn’t undo if they wanted to but the general sentiment seems to be that “we had a good thing going”. Trump is entirely unpredictable as a partner but I don’t see things as hopeless long term.
he has been predictable with putin, and the ME though, only with them.
I also get that perception, at least what they’re showing outwards, but it’s starting to feel like the EU is actually starting to plan for a future that has at least a much smaller dependence on the US.
I think for the pragmatic diplomats, it makes sense to show you’re willing to go back to the old way of doing things because it might make the transition less painful, you get to keep at least some of the benefits and goodwill while you prepare to move away from them.
However, I also think there are unfortunately a lot of spineless (and greedy) people in power who would go back to, for example, a president Newsom in a heartbeat despite the risks it poses.
I think you can see the more open signs of shying away from American products, with Europe starting to officially adopt FOSS software like Linux or LibreOffice. That is a relatively easy change to make, since there is less physical logistics involved with the transition.
Material things, like shipments of manufactured goods for the F-35 program, would become evident in a decade or so, IMO.
Once is a surpise. But twice?
No, EU leaders, the sensible ones at least, understand that the US cannot be relied upon anymore. It doesn’t matter if Ds return to power. The US is bipolar. Unless they fundamentally change their electoral system, the chance of this happening again is basically 50/50.
EU is disentangling from the US, and rightly so.
It’s more than changing just the electoral system too. It’s reforming the way that justices are chosen for the supreme court, and how long they serve. It’s reforming the power the president’s office has over entities like the department of justice. It’s massive reforms over money in politics.
Basically, to have any chance for meaningful change, the US would have to undertake a system of massive constitutional amendments. And there hasn’t been an amendment in more than 50 years… and that last one was a fairly benign change to the voting age.
yes, indeed. basically, there’s just no fucking way. America is loathed to admit it’s wrong and change on a GOOD DAY.