Why does America fear Trump so much? I don’t get it.
He has an army of violent intimidators threatening any political opposition. Politicians on both sides have been threatened and will be killed. Mussolini had his black shirts, Hitler has the SS, Trump has his Proud Boys.
Ah, yes, the Proud Boys and their Pride Parade. Got it.
Kimmel has a italian citizenship, so he can jump ship anytime and leave the us forever. too bad people like ellen degeners, miley kunis and asthon kutcher left without facing consequences.
people should target where it hurts, subscriptions to paramount + and disney+,etc.
Holy shit. I love Tenn Hollar. Surprised to see it here.
So give that the FCC was threatening him, I wonder if he would have a case for 1st amendment violation case against this the Trump admin.
Are you fr? Do you really think “the system” will solve any of these problems?? Lol. Lmfao even
Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say? Oh wait…
Here it goes donald. Fuck you. Fuck that cunt kirk. And rubio. Fuck GOP. Fuck you all, bastards.
May they all become memorial fountains.
So to clarify… Jimmy Kimmel did not even mention Charlie Kirk in this monologue more than as a reference to the killer.
he literally said
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
To classify this as “removed over comments about Charlie Kirk” is insane! He was talking about his killer and the reason he was removed was clarified by the FCC chair.
[This] appears to be an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into the narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or Republican-motivated person” - Brendan Carr
Yet all the headlines read “for comments about Charlie Kirk”!
Should all be saying “Removed for commenting on MAGAs actions following this shooting”
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Kirk is about to become a MAGA-Martyr, so any comment about his death is a sacrilege to them.
It s for the obvious lie about the intent and political association regarding the shooter. I think him being remove isn’t the great, but he should be oblige to comme back on that statement which was a lie and tell the truth
… he should be oblige to comme back on that statement which was a lie and tell the truth.
Bullshit. This is such a disingenuous argument.
MAGA immediately lied about the shooter being left, making their entire base hostile. Especially towards all non-MAGA Americans that don’t believe the 100% bullshit coming from Trumps mouth at a literal record setting pace.
Do you feel the same need to have clarifying statements come from every lying sack of MAGA hatred that said the shooter was left immediately with no evidence?
You know, literally all of them?
Because unlike Kimmel, they immediately used the death of one of their own to further antagonize their perceived political enemies despite a complete lack of evidence.
But sure, let’s hold Kimmel to the “Truth” and not the unquestionable evil of using the dead for personal gain - that needs no apologies. Might as well ignore this behaviour despite it being responsible for 70% of public shootings the last 10 years too. Seeing that’s now a fact this admin just deleted from the DOJ because they don’t like it. Is you desire for the truth here too, as it is literally being covered up?
In what way do you feel Kimmel telling the truth is far better for our society as a whole?
Because there is no need to get angry over Kimmel for needing to “tell the truth.” It’s not like his lie killed more Americans than all the wars we ever fought in combined like COVID has.
So no offense, but it’s obviously the truth is very far from what you are looking for here. What it sounds like you want from Kimmel is fealty.
MAGA immediately lied about the shooter being left
the first arest done related to the shooting was literaly a leftist ( the old pedophile)
But sure, let’s hold Kimmel to the “Truth” and not the unquestionable evil of using the dead for personal gain - that needs no apologies
A public figure on tv network is held by standard and that s litteraly why he was removed
In what way do you feel Kimmel telling the truth is far better for our society as a whole?
if u question why telling the truth is better for society i feel all your argument regarding the other side of yours can be dismissed.
Because there is no need to get angry over Kimmel for needing to “tell the truth.” It’s not like his lie killed more Americans than all the wars we ever fought in combined like COVID has.
I see any relation to that topic and if your argument is i can do that cause x does that then it can also be dismissed. also i really think you exagerate a virus that have a 0.1% of killing under 50 ppl. But that might be related to your already mortal obesity rate.
So no offense, but it’s obviously the truth is very far from what you are looking for here. What it sounds like you want from Kimmel is fealty.
In my book he could even make fun of kirk. I dont like it but it s his right. Lying on national tv isnt
the first arest done related to the shooting was literaly a leftist ( the old pedophile).
Yeah. The FBI is now run by an unqualified idiot, and he arrested the wrong person. Kash Patel is in a much higher office than Kimmel and should apologize for arresting who was obviously the wrong suspect according to you.
Every person who reported on that mistake as if it was true should also apologize, but I guess massively fucking up an FBI investigation is a good excuse to lie according to you? Do I understand that right?
A public figure on tv network is held by standard and that s litteraly why he was removed
Explain to me why you think Kimmels position as an public entertainer should be held to a higher standard than those in public office like the President. Seriously. Explain it.
Because it shouldnt. Political polices, not entertainment, are most effective when they’re based on truth. We don’t need truth in entertainment, we need truth in politics.
Trump and his entire cabinet should apologize for mistakenly believing the left was responsible, after the FBI apologizes for arresting who was clearly the wrong person.
This truth would have a far greater impact on society than Kimmel admitting he also made a mistake. Do you agree?
if u question why telling the truth is better for society i feel all your argument regarding the other side of yours can be dismissed.
I’m not. I’m asking you to specifically tell me how Kimmel telling the truth is better for society COMPARED to Trump and his entire Cabinet doing the same.
It’s a basic compare and contrast question, that I’ll simplify into:
Which of the below would have a greater societal benefit in telling the truth:
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Trump apologizing for lying about the left based on Patel massively fucking up and arresting the obvious wrong person.
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Kimmel apologizing for lying about the right based on actual facts that were read in a way Trump didn’t like.
Use your words to describe the benefits of each societal outcome rather than just saying one is better than the other (if you can.)
Because it is painfully obvious which would be better to society, and literally no one should have an issue seeing that if they’re not logically compromised.
Lying on national tv isn’t.
Seriously, honest question: how do you feel about the President lying on national TV? Or the head of the FBI?
Is it seriously only a bad thing to you when Kimmel does it? Because it really seems like your entire point of the Truth needing to being said on national TV is constructed entirely outside of Trump being our president and lying all the time.
Honestly, I find it sad that you think Kimmel needs to tell the truth, when our President has publically lied 162 times on TV this year alone. Here they all are:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5070566/trump-news-conference
Every single lie has a source. Every lie has a detailed description of how it was a lie.
This is in addition to the 30573 other lies he told to the public on TV during his first administration. Here’s that list:
If you honestly care about the truth and how that benefits society, then why are you giving Trump a free pass to lie? Trump holds a higher office, is on TV, and based on my above links, lies much more frequently than Kimmel.
So, explain to me why you feel Trump doesn’t need to ever publicly tell the truth, or admit when he’s lying, but you think Kimmel does.
Seriously. Just answer this one question in a reasonable way, and maybe you have a point to make. I’ll take any avoidance in talking about Trump as an admission that you’re compromised by their propaganda.
Yeah. The FBI is now run by an unqualified idiot, and he arrested the wrong person. Kash Patel is in a much higher office than Kimmel and should apologize for arresting who was obviously the wrong suspect according to you.
it s not the fbi that did the arest but the security on the campus. And if u have a shooting and somebody gldly claim i did it yes i want him arrested and at least charge with obstruction to justice.
Every person who reported on that mistake as if it was true should also apologize, but I guess massively fucking up an FBI investigation is a good excuse to lie according to you? Do I understand that right?
Give an exemple of anybody in charge of the investigation that said he was the shooter ?
Explain to me why you think Kimmels position as an public entertainer should be held to a higher standard than those in public office like the President
Cause national tv is subject to law that doesnt abide political figure.
Trump and his entire cabinet should apologize for mistakenly believing the left was responsible, after the FBI apologizes for arresting who was clearly the wrong person. This truth would have a far greater impact on society than Kimmel admitting he also made a mistake. Do you agree?
i agree but the dude was definetly a leftist and definetly not a maga
Trump apologizing for lying about the left based on Patel massively fucking up and arresting the obvious wrong person.
Tyler robinson is the killer he confesse it and his own familly told he was a leftist
Seriously, honest question: how do you feel about the President lying on national TV? Or the head of the FBI?
I think it s wrong but regarding that case i didnt seen instance of it comming from them
Honestly, I find it sad that you think Kimmel needs to tell the truth, when our President has publically lied 162 times on TV this year alone. Here they all are: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5070566/trump-news-conference Every single lie has a source. Every lie has a detailed description of how it was a lie. This is in addition to the 30573 other lies he told to the public on TV during his first administration. Here’s that list: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
i think it s wrong and i dont support it.
So, explain to me why you feel Trump doesn’t need to ever publicly tell the truth, or admit when he’s lying, but you think Kimmel does.
Cause like i said a network isnt held accountable the same way a politician is. I agree lying politician is bad and i dont suport it
Give an exemple of anybody in charge of the investigation that said he was the shooter ?
The backlash began after Patel said Wednesday that “the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody,” before saying less than two hours later that he had the wrong person. It was the second time that day authorities had arrested someone in the case then let them go.
Here you go. Literally the head of the FBI saying the 71 yo they caught who wasn’t the shooter is “the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.”
Here’s what happened when that guy got arrested:
Zinn told police he shot Kirk to “draw attention from the real shooter,” according to documents obtained by Fox 13 News. He allegedly approached an officer and said, “I shot him, now shoot me,” but refused to say where the weapon was. Officers searched him and found no gun.
Patel before bothering to learn any of this:
“… the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.”
Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.
Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.
“Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism,” the first two lines of the study read
And you want to believe Kimmel apologizing is somehow magically better for society? Is his apology going to bring back these publically funded studies paid for by our tax dollars?
Explain this reasoning of yours. Please. Because it’s truly insane to me.
And I do not say this lighty - but I have to because you honestly believe this:
Cause national tv is subject to law that doesnt abide political figure.
Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It’s technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.
https://niemanreports.org/fox-dominion-lawsuit/
the Dominion lawsuit has exposed the network as an entertainment network masquerading as a news outlet. In private, Fox News personalities like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Carlson were expressing their disdain for former President Donald Trump and their belief that the 2020 presidential election wasn’t stolen. On air, they said the opposite.
On air they said the opposite because they’re allowed to lie. Because its legal for them to lie to you on television.
But it is NOT legal for anyone holding public office to lie.
Here is that law: https://www.mololamken.com/knowledge-Is-It-a-Crime-To-Lie-to-the-Government-Even-If-You-Are-Not-Under-Oath
Under Section 1001 of title 18 of the United States Code, It is a federal crime to knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime.
Patel didn’t know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.
It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent lying idiot who is feeding national division by eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done, and you can’t prove otherwise because you’re unwilling to admit team Trump even lies at all, despite them being the only ones in all of this legally obligated to tell the truth.
Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.
in the article u link he s criticized for that. And the left being violent isnt a first and like i said before the shooter is antifa affiliated and while we didnt have the shooter we had the bullet casing before with antifa slogan.
Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.
heard about that story but from i understand it was data that was missrepresented same as the adl one who post all anti goovernement action as far right. but that s not the subject here.
Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It’s technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/73.1217
about the next point u have your answer in this part “within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime.”
Patel didn’t know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.
??? did u misstype ? anyway im not sure he was lying since he retract his statement in 2 hour. like see he retract false statement. The same i said kiemel should be abble to do
It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent
im all for a wolrd where incompetence is a crime.
eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done
they retracted false informations. in the end the killer is still a leftist. Also not abide by the same law. but i agree bad information comming from the head of the fbi is bad and i condomne thoses
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If you read his quote above there is no lie in that line. The right have been trying to distance themselves from the shooter and have been using it to score political points as either of the party does with a situation they can use. (Although this administration is actively spreading disinformation)
How Tyler robinson a dude described NY his own mother left leaning dating a trans and saying he did it cause Kirk spread too much hatred was a maga ? How this isn’t a lie?
If you had actually read the quote as you were instructed to do, you would see that even if the killer were 120% a card-carrying DNC toe-sucker, that would not make the statement inaccurate. The murderer’s political affiliation was declared before they even had the right guy, a clear example of the actions described in the quote. As though someone’s political beliefs can even be a hard enough fact to bring legal action down on
a news programan entertainment show who no reasonable viewer could believe is accurate news after a certain vulpine decision. If you just assume a falsehood from someone you don’t like because you won’t or can’t understand their actual statement, that’s hardly a regulatory infraction.bro he lied that s it. not turning around or any things will change that. i dont see how the point they made mistake on the suspect is an argument that allow you to lie on something that you know is false. And the law that abide tv network and was cited by the authority doesnr regard the typpe of show but the severity and damage of the lie. “It is foreseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm” and "Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances. " Legal action wasnt even bring on the “entertainement show” freedom of speech wich you implied should protect his lie doesnt equal freedom of consequence. And also tv network are abide to more rules.
If you just assume a falsehood from someone you don’t like
the dude literally lied on the bigest political assasination of the decade and u can turn it how u want it s not me and my assumption that make it a lie but what he blatantly said.
hat’s hardly a regulatory infraction.
§ 73.1217 Broadcast hoaxes. (10–1–24 Edition) Who was in power to vote this law 🤔
You are making up that he said anything about the killer being a leftist or not. He said that MAGAs are trying to call the killer “anything other than one of them”. That is a substantively different statement. Unless Jimmy said something different to you than the rest of us, continuing to repeat your claim that he lied would actually be you lying.
I consider a public statement by the FCC chair that the companies need to “take action on Kimmel” or the FCC will act to be “legal action”. It is not merely “freedom of consequence” when it is a threat of consequences from a government body; in fact, that’s the sole critical difference from a freedom of speech issue and you missed it.
could you please quote what was the lie?
Emperor Manicula’s tweet.
This is the President of the United States, tweeting about a talk show host. Everything has gone to shit so quickly and thoroughly that sometimes you have to take a step outside of it, back to the before times, to clear your head… and then you are once again returned to the realization that the fucking President is tweeting about talk show hosts.
Man, this guy is a fucking loser.
For real. I know we all know he’s not really doing the work expected of his office already, but the fact he has the time and energy to care about such petty, childish things further confirms it.
The Cheetos didn’t write that. That text is off, somehow, and written by a staff member or AI.
It was Creepy Stephens Dolls
Who cares it is on his account
It demonstrates the president’s cognitive decline. Something we were very concerned about just one year ago.
You need to be part of the solution, not sit on the sidelines and wait for someone else to fix it. You know its fucked. I know it’s fucked. That sentiment needs to resonate from the halls of power like the wrath of thunder from the combined voices of everyone who knows its fucked. Political action needs to become an everyday habit.
I fully agree with your sentiment and I have immeasurably immense respect for Americans that are fighting this. I wish them luck and we all know they’ll need it.
I’m not American and the best I can do is fight the inevitable diffusion of this into my own country.
God speed.
“[This] appears to be an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into the narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or Republican-motivated person,” Carr said. “What people don’t understand is that the broadcasters … have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest. When we see stuff like this, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct, on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.”
Welcome to your fascist state, ladies and gentlemen. If you don’t kiss the ring and grease the palms, then you’re out.
look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
Said exactly like a thug in a mob movie.
I think the hard way sounds like a fun time
Yeah, I’m kind of curious what ‘the hard way’ is for the fcc.
It does say, doesn’t it? More work. People these days doesn’t want to work!!
Counterpoint: what is the FCC going to do to physically stop them? Jam the signal? Send in men with guns?
Revoke their broadcast license, to make it impossible for them to be on the air with their distributors.
Generally productions are a multi-stage process with several companies involved.
revoke license
Physically
make it impossible
How? Impossible how?
Unless everyone works together, from content creation all the way down to distribution, some part of the chain will comply with the federal government. They unfortunately don’t need to do anything physical - the show is already dependent on several entities.
So, not physically, and not impossible.
Just illegal and therefore cool?
Illegal, and never cool. I don’t like this just as much as you. It’s just any physical action wouldn’t make a difference.
I think even jimmy Kimmel could be cool if he was doing pirate broadcast art crimes.
I feel like nothing short of physical action really needs to be paid attention to.
It is illegal, if you violate the laws then people with guns show up and lock you in a cage where you can’t do the illegal thing.
It’s the FCC. They don’t have guns.
It’s the federal government, criminal violations of federal law is investigated by the FBI.
Who are currently more concerned with posting.
None of the characters in that story are implied to have guns. One of them was implied to have a hammer-a goofy wooden one.
you sure? IRS agents have guns. I don’t know if it’s because they’re Treasury or Federal, but i wouldn’t push my luck.
I feel like maybe IRS agents have guns because people fucking hate the IRS than to help them do their jobs.
The second one
Which ones? The FCC doesn’t have men with guns. The FBI are only good for posting now. They gonna send in the ATF?
Whoever the dictator wants, dude. Don’t you get it?
That’s not going to be a very competent thing, and it would cost them more.
I agree. Are we talking about a competent man?
Federal Marshalls, or local law enforcement.
Oh. We know this how?
We have a rule on the book that interprets the public interest standard that says ‘news distortion’ is something that is prohibited
Unbelievable. Nobody tell Fox News
If Fox News has straight-face lied to its viewers ONLY 25 times a day for the past 29 years, that’s 264,625 actual lies, not jokes.
So after Fox publicly and explicitly apologizes 264,625 times for each of its egregious lies, we can then entertain the idea of apologizing for delivering truth in the form of a joke on a comedy show.
Pretty sure Kimmel isn’t news.
That’s exactly how Fox got out of their bullshit. Claimed nobody actually believes they’re real news.
Kimmel is literally a comedian doing primarily comedy though. A wolf dressing in sheep’s clothing is not a reason to kill all sheep.
I’m not sure that metaphor is apt, frankly…
Seems solid to me. What am i missing?
For the analogy to be apt, it’s more like the wolves are at the point where they’re just doing the sheep killing. There’s no subtlety happening here.
Guys, the FCC content rules only apply to Broadcast stations, like ABC. Fox News is cable. Its content is not regulated by the FCC at all. They don’t have jurisdiction.
Fox News it literally calling for the execution of homeless people. How is that not hate speech?
They don’t see the homeless as people
Amd two separate shooting happen at homeless camps today. Yeah fuck FCC and fuck nazis
It is.
I mean, the FCC does not have any power over the content of cable television stations like Fox News. Not that they would do anything if they could, the hypocrites, but still. ABC is a Broadcast station, the content of which is in the FCC’s purview, so it’s not exactly apples to apples. Doesn’t mean it’s not partisan reactionary bullshit.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
ABC fucking took him off the air:
Walt Disney-owned ABC confirmed on Wednesday, Sept. 17, that it will indefinitely suspend “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” after the head of the Federal Communications Commission condemned comments made by the Emmy-winning comedian.
He should switch to Peertube.
Freedom and democracy… cough cough
It’s pathetic what Trump and his band of goons are doing to America.
I almost moved to the US at one point. It’s never been perfect but I grew up seeing it as a force that did bring about a lot of good in the world.
This is pathetic.
“Not in the public interest,” that line is going to get squeezed for all its worth.
Not in honor of the King, I guess. The hard way is starting to sound like a far better option. Anybody know a spine?
Softest president and party of all time 🤣
Even the president who died like a few weeks into his presidency because he didn’t wanna go see a doctor was a better president.
Where is Millard Fillmore when we need him?!
