But did they say thank you even once??
relevant as ever. twenty years ago you could be fired for such a comic, you still can.
© 2004
proof, if need be, that this genocide didn’t begin in 2023
Israel abusing Palestine is something that has been going on for decades already.
I remember watching IDF soldiers murdering Palestinian children (because they threw rocks at them) on the news when I was a child… That was 40 years ago.
I remember a Dutch politician got into hot water because his wife put up a Palestinian flag on her home to draw attention to the Palestinian situation. The reaction was exactly the same, she was labelled an antisemite
I have nothing against Jews , I have nothing against anyone, not for sex, gender, race, skin color, sexual preferences, I don’t care.
But fuck, Israel is making it hard not to judge all Jews. It’s the Israeli government doing this but it still has wide support and way too many people there believe that this genocide somehow is justified.
And if you say that Hamas is bad, fuck right off. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization SUPPORTED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT JUST SO THEY HAVE A REASON TO KILL MORE PALESTINIANS.
This is NOT a new thing, this has been going on since, well, pretty much since Israel was founded
And then somehow we need to see israeli as the victims l? Fuck right off. Anyone living there SHOULD FUCKING KNOW BETTER. Your think that if anyone would know better, its them, yet here we are. Humanity is truly fucked.
That was pretty exact and a delight to read. There are millions of ppl with common sense who know how to analize basic history like you. The problem in this freak modern media world is no one is allowed to speech ‘that long’ before being interrupted with some Cpt. Obvious strikes again ‘but the right to defend…’, ‘do you support terrorists’ or ‘are you antisemite’. Argumentative dialoge is long dead.
The number one threat to humanity, bar none, is religion. A text-based mind virus.
But fuck, Israel is making it hard not to judge all Jews
It shouldn’t make it hard. People are shitty. There’s a lot of shitty people. But there are many Jews are highly and publicly opposed to Israel. Judge based on actions and don’t label groups as all one type unless the group’s alignment by itself is ill
That was sort of my point. I don’t want to blame Jews, hell, I don’t blame jews, but Israel is making that really really difficult with their actions
In that respect, I see israel as the biggest antisemitic threat to Jews. There is no other single entity that works so hard to make people hate Jews.
Actually here’s a better reply than my other one!
Since at least the establishment of the Mandate of Palestine and the Balfour Declaration of 1917. 😔
I always thought this was about the US vs Iraq, based on when it came out
It is. They “hit” the twin towers.
We sure it’s about Israel and not the US if it’s from 2004? US does this to everyone
Nah Israel has been doing this for like 5 decades now, this is NOT a new thing. I saw this shit on the news as a kid, 40 years ago at least
In 2004 the US invaded Iraq following the current war with Afghanistan after the towers fell. This comic has two buildings that look a lot like the World Tade Center.
If this isn’t about israel I grabbed the wrong one. There is one that is just like this that very definitely is. I see the two towers looking buildings there, but I didn’t think that was intentional. I’ll see if I can find out.
Edit: I don’t have the original context currently, but this URL suggests that in 2012 people believed this to be about Israel.
https://i0.wp.com/fabiusmaximus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/20121206-israel-fighting.jpg
Fits both.
Those do look like the twin towers.
I remember being pissed off about what I saw Israeli tanks doing in gaza on the news in the mid-1990s, and suffice to say I was absolutely not primed to be doing anything but unconditionally supporting them at that time.
The Israelis have tarnished the reputation for Jewish people all over. I know that many (most?) of them are against it, but I know very sensible people who think twice before engaging with a Jewish person when it comes to politics, just to avoid being framed as an anti-semite. All this holier-than-thou victim blaming is actually responsible for many becoming anti-semites.
I have the same opinion of Israeli Jews as I have of Japanese people: you don’t judge the individual who may have various views, you judge the voting block as a whole.
Same way I hold Japan responsible for pretending they didn’t do war crimes, I also hold the Israeli people collectively responsible for the actions for their government.
They keep voting for it
being framed as an anti-semite
It’s funny, my parents watch the PBS News Hour religiously. One night last year they ran a piece about how Israel was trying (and succeeding) to frame all criticism of Israel’s actions as “anti-semitism”. My parents were of course all “oh that’s terrible what Israel is doing!” The very next night they ran a piece about how anti-semitism in the US was on the rise. My parents were of course all “oh that’s terrible that anti-semitism is on the rise!” without making any connection at all between the two stories.
Pretty sure Jews outside of Israel are against what the Israeli state is doing to Palestine. But for Israeli Jews, unfortunately, last time I saw the survey, most of them approve of kicking the Palestinians out of Gaza and West Bank. They may not like Netanyahu and most know that he is prolonging the war to artificially extend the lifeline of his regime, but most approve of the overall right wing policies of Likud towards Palestinians.
Older Jews in my experience are zionist no matter their leanings.
I’ve heard people trash trump in one breath and go on to say “wipe them out” in the next.
Not to say all. Never. But the disconnect is there. Especially when they have family in Israel.
Have seen the moral fight in their mind as they watch the news. Most I saw someone admit was that they “were so tired of all the killing” and maybe a “netanyahoo” here or there.
But Israel is Israel.
And unfortunately most Palestinians are supportive of attacks on Israel. They’re a whole lot of stubborn evil over there all around.
To be fair if people had been coming into my country and blowing shit up and murdering people then settling on the land for the last 50 years both myself AND my parents would have known pretty much nothing else and I’d be pretty likely to view them with nothing but rather coherant hatred.
I’m all for targeting military personnel but not civilians.
But if all they have is poorly guided rockets, they are risking civilians. And that only encourages Israel to continue to also kill civilians as it technically targets militants or their resources.
I mean taking pot shots at targeted killing of soldiers themselves. I’m okay with that, they are legitimate targets after all. Many freedom fighters consciously avoid civilian deaths. Although in the case of Hamas, they don’t care. Being under oppression is not an excuse. I can’t belabor the point further, many freedom fighters before consciously avoid civilian deaths. It is not like there was no precedence for Hamas not to follow.
Fair. But there were also a lot of attacks on Israeli civilians.
As opposed to what? Sitting back and quietly folding their hands in their laps while their children are mowed down by machine guns and blasted into dust by air strikes?
They could surrender unconditionally. Like France did under Blitzkrieg. It doesn’t mean giving up forever, but it stops the worst of the killing for now.
Its been over 80 years. Its not occupation, its colonization.
Yes, that’s valid. Just like Europeans colonizing the americas. Should native Americans be firing rockets as US civilians? What do you think would happen if they did?
If US citizens were to this very day continually encroaching on the small amount of sovereign land they have left? Being complete open with their stance that they intend to colonize every inch of their homeland and oust them from the area entirely? Mobbing and killing native Americans, all backed by the full force of the national military?
Yes. They ought to retailiate.
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You are defending the numbing of schools and hospitals.
Living your entire life under apartheid will do that to a person
As would living under rocket fire and being surrounded by countries that call for your destruction. Pretty shitty for all. So what’s the solution? Some might argue Israel was being relatively progressive and slowing giving more freedoms to Gaza up to the October attacks. They might argue that such freedoms actually allowed those attacks to be so ‘successful’. Some might argue that the only path forward to peace is the complete destruction of one side’s military capabilities.
You are defending the bombing of schools and hospitals.
No I’m not. It’s abhorrent. Both sides need to stop firing rockets that could harm civilians. Better yet, stop firing all rockets.
Oh no they support fighting back against the people who have fired rockets at them for decades and who send “settlers” to kill them and steal their land and whose soldiers keep shooting at children going to school and-
You’re an unserious person with a terrible take. I hope if anything bad happens to you that you submit immediately and no one comes to help you.
Yes, Israel has continued to steal West Bank land, and if not target civilians, then at least wantonly disregard civilian collateral damage. And it’s evil. But let’s not forget the full scale attacks on Isreal, the suicide bombings, the border attacks, the October attack and the continuous rocket fire at Isreal lately. Both sides have kept this going; it’s just that Israel has the capability now to do more damage and is apparently no longer worried about it’s international reputation.
You are defending the bombing of schools and hospitals.
Oh shut up. The Palestinians aren’t doing attacks for fun and they don’t have the backing for some kind of proper warfare with the Israelis to get them off their land. It’s not a mattee of opinion; they were their first and people from other countries without the right to do so told the people who would become the Israelis of today that it was totally cool for them to show up there. There was literally video of some guy from the fucking Bronx taking part in stealing a Palestinian family’s home, it’s fucking crazy what’s happening there.
It’d be like if I sent a bunch of people with guns to your house because I promised someone else you don’t even know that they could have it. And then, if you did anything in protest I beat the shit out you and shot your dog.
Yes, it’s like that and it’s horrible. It’s like Europeans taking over North America. It’s like countless other wars of conquest. In the end, Israel isn’t going anywhere; surely you know that? We can try to pressure them to take care of the (most recent) indigenous population, but if you say they can’t protect themselves or secure their population’s safety, they will necessarily ignore you. Pick your battles.
Their safety? Literally it’s just rocket after rocket after rocket from them. They’re complaining about safety while they commit countless acts of genocide against the people that were already there. They’re literally and openly trying to exterminate every single Palestinian in Gaza and they’re doing it with terrifying ease and no substantial pushback.
Good fucking god, I hope that every single time someone hurts you you just let it happen, and even defend their right to do it. I hope you never stand up for yourself, and no one else ever stands up for you. I hope you are pummelled into submission while everyone watches and does nothing to help you except for occasionally throwing a bandaid at you, and maybe even a few say that you were asking for it when you get your own blood on your attacker’s clothes even though that happened after they hit you(and is stupid). And I hope, at the end of all that, you get a fucking clue. God, you are a piece of shit.
I’m supportive of attacks on Israel too. They’ve got nukes, we need to disable those.
And so Isreal has the right to respond to attacks. It’s pretty horrible how they’re doing it and I sure wish they’d take the moral high road instead of going to the gutter like they are. Of course, their adversaries would do worse if they could. Doesn’t excuse it in my books, but I can see where they’re coming from.
You speak as though there are two people groups on equal footing doing atrocities here. As if both sides have done the same level of destruction and murder… That’s the crazy part in my opinion.
It would be as if a 6 year old went and punched a bodybuilder, and the bodybuilder went on to curb stomp and break multiple bones in the child’s body, and then people defended his retaliation.
No. Israel is clearly doing a lot more atrocities now. But taken in the context of the last 80+ years, it’s no 6yo punching a body builder situation. Israel has seemingly had the military advantage since its inception, but it has not been immune to great harm. The Oct attacks proved that it was still very vulnerable against an enemy who will always seek Israel’s destruction. Israel’s strategy now is abhorrent but there is context that makes it militarily logical, even if morally bankrupt.
If a teenager cuts in front of me in line at the movies, that doesn’t mean I have the right to burn down the entire movie theatre with a molotov cocktail.
No matter how fun it would be
What if it’s your neighbour firing random gun shots at your house for months or years, putting you and your family at risk of great injury or death? You have a rocket launcher - do you use it to eradicate your neighbour and keep your family safe? Or is that unjustified escalation and you’d just take random pot shots back?
Well if the entire state of Israel were me, then Hamas would be a 14 year old who listens to Kanye. Edgy and annoying, but not dangerous. There’s no way Hamas can actually destroy Israel.
Also Israel told the troops at the border to stand down and let October 7th happen.
Israel has exactly as much right to defend themselves as Nazi Germany did
