It’s been a very long time since I’ve paid much attention to the show (which is not the snarky sideswipe it might sound like) but I thought it was a very, very liberal-centric (note I did not say left) show with (IIRC) one token conservative host.
I could very well be wrong though.
Fair point!
Seriously what’s hard to figure out?
The fact that there is a single person who believes this to their heart and will go on camera to say it is proof that we’re doomed, IMO.
So far I’ve seen this same sort of report of federal agent escalation for here, also Chicago and Manhattan as I’ve scrolled various social media in the past few visits. That was without looking for the stories or a pattern.
I wonder if they’ve been instructed to take it up a notch across the board.
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn’t impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.
No one even knows what my half of the proposition is, but that’s alright! I’m only one vote! (which is the other thing everyone seems to be forgetting)
A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
Ok, I’ll agree in principle!
It’s almost like I’m expected to uncritically serve up my vote to them for not being the other party.
If it really is exactly like that (and clearly it is) this has been a waste of both our times, frankly.
No one seems to be interested in asking what I’d want to see to vote for them, only that I’m wrong for the vote that I might or might not cast in 3.5 years time, which I find very interesting on an intellectual level.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
Very good points!
Have the day you plan to vote for.
I don’t have a plan yet. No one seems to be interested in asking what I’d want to see to vote for them, only that I’m wrong for the vote that I might or might not cast in 3.5 years time, which I find very interesting on an intellectual level.
It’s almost like I’m expected to uncritically serve up my vote to them for not being the other party.
No one seems to be interested in asking what I’d want to see to vote for them, only that I’m wrong for the vote that I might or might not cast in 3.5 years time, which I find very interesting on an intellectual level.
Well it seemed like this was becoming an actual conversation where you responded to what I was saying instead of whatever you are reading into things. This is about as much as I feel like dealing with in the way of rudeness right now, so have a good one.
And if your decision ends up “Well, literal fascism is really bad… but I don’t think I’ve been woo’d enough by the non-fascists”, then you are putting a stamp of apathetic approval on fascism murdering large numbers of disadvantaged groups because of some bizarre sense of political vanity.
Why do you keep reducing my argument down to things like the above?
What I want is for this to stop happening:
Second, it is not unreasonable to want more out of your representatives.
Thanks!
the presidency, in particular, has accumulated a wealth of unreasonable powers.
Agreed!
Beyond questions of policy, it is vital to keep the presidency out of the hands of literal fascists because it is precisely the branch which they can do the most damage with.
Great! Can we agree that it’s the fault of Democratic leadership and their strategies that the Fascists got the Presidency, or is it only the fault of the voters? (And need I remind you yet again, I voted Kamala in 2024.)
than sinking a Dem presidency.
Who is talking about sinking a Dem presidency? Other people can make whatever decision they like. My vote belongs to no one by default anymore.
Why? Because when R went full on Hitler what did D do at the very next presidential election? Did Kamala pull to the left in her campaign? No. It was the same tired shit that they used to justify working against Bernie, the same tired shit Pelosi uses to justify working against any progressive at all, the same reason we still have almost no one but boomers in positions of substantial power within the party. Democrats are just as blind to how the nation has changed since WWII as Republicans are, or they are are just as reluctant to embrace it.
Fourth, despite the constant claims of speaking for the people, progressives have shown, time and time again, that we do not have the votes to win elections on our own in this fucking country. Most of the country is not as left-leaning as you or I.
My vote is mine. It’s not yours or anyone else’s. If they don’t want it, that’s OK. But if they do, they need to act like it.
In case you missed my last edit (which is understandable):
That justifies letting fucking fascists win?
Sorry for all the edits.
So here is the crux of our disagreement.
They are going to get my vote in 2026. They can have that by default, and they will need it to have a chance in 2028.
But, you find it unreasonable that I just want them, in the next 3.5 years, to give me a reason to vote for them that is NOT derived from how bad R is? That’s just a bridge too far for me to ask of my elected representatives?
It’s very possible you are correct, and I’m sorry for being too lazy to look it up right now. 🙂