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    I can tell even “good” AI images because of the weird over manufactured look, kinda hard to describe it’s kinda like how fake leather feels wrong. But anyways this has the same weird energy as those weirdly gay Sino-Soviet propaganda posters.

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    Alpha bros and pickup artists make a lot more sense once you know about the Diagnostic Checklist for Psychopathy.

    spoiler

    Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm
    Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth
    Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
    Item 4: Pathological lying
    Item 5: Conning/manipulative
    Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt
    Item 7: Shallow affect
    Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy
    Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle
    Item 10: Poor behavioral controls
    Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior
    Item 12: Early behavior problems
    Item 13: Lack of realistic, long-term goals
    Item 14: Impulsivity
    Item 15: Irresponsibility
    Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
    Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships
    Item 18: Juvenile delinquency
    Item 19: Revocation of conditional release
    Item 20: Criminal versatility

    One of the most commonly observed traits in psychopathy (the actual mental disorder, not the distorted tiktok pop-sci version of it) is that someone suffering from it has very reduced feelings of anxiety and shame. Makes sense that they’d be confused by someone else feeling anxious and not really understanding why they’d choose to present like that.

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      Huh, it really does make sense now that I think about it.

      I hate how we live in a world where this kind of behaviour is not just accepted, it’s often a desired trait. Lots of CEOs are psychopaths.

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        I think it’s usually more their Machiavellinism that gets CEOs ahead in life. Psychopathy and Narcissism sit close to it on the Dark triad and have some overlaps, but of the three, Machiavellinism is probably the most impactful on Career success. I think it’s useful to know the difference and recognize the specific traits, as anyone on the Dark Triad can be made to act perfectly pro-social given the right incentives!

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    This AI slop is so dumb too

    • left guy is breaking past his keyboard
    • right guy has his message read one minute after he told them to arrive, meaning he was left on read until the literal last second

    Like even in their dream scenario, they’re unread? Lmao

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      Oh christ I didn’t realize the timing thing, makes this that much more funny. The confident look of the guy when he sees he finally got read a minute after the time they confidently told the other party to come.

      It’s so dumb, oh my god

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      Don’t forget the giant middle finger on the guy on the right

      God I hate slop. But I guess if you’re a talentless man-o-sphere idiot you’d see no other choice

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      My ex, well if you can even call it that, dumped me because I apparently apologize too much and “apologies are useless and just show that you lack confidence”.

      So, according to her, yes.

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        I will say that apologies without the intent to change behavior suck. They’re there to politely admit that you recognize you made a mistake, and that you’re going to try to not repeat it. If you don’t have the last part then it’s useless. However, with the last part, they’re one of the things that take the most strength for a person to do.

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          Eh, they can also exist to politely acknowledge that the other person’s feelings were hurt, but not to admit wrongdoing (“I’m sorry you feel X”). That’s something, but generally not what the other person is looking for.

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              It can be a genuine display of empathy, or it could be totally dismissive. My point is that saying “sorry” doesn’t need to be an admission of guilt, but it does need to show that you care about the other person’s feelings.

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                I am forced to disagree with the first point of your assessment.

                empathy

                [em-puh-thee]

                Phonetic (Standard)IPA

                noun

                1. the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the emotions, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

                Even if someone were actually sorry about how another person feels, that is very different from psychological identification with how the other person feels, or vicariously experiencing what the other person feels. At best, “I’m sorry you feel that way” is an expression of pity and/or condescension.

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                  Again, that comes down to how it’s communicated. For example, of someone’s parent dies, dropping by to say, “I’m really sorry you have to go through this. I’ve been there and know how much it sucks. If you’d like to talk, I’m always available.”

                  That takes the form of an apology, while not apologizing for anything and instead recognizing, validating, and offering help with their feelings.

                  That’s obviously and extreme example, but I think it demonstrates my point.

                  Another more realistic example in a relationship would be someone getting frustrated about their partner’s busy work schedule. “I’m sorry that I’m not around as much as you’d like, and please understand that I also miss you when I’m gone. I also really enjoy my work, and this is the balance that gives me the most time with you without shirking my responsibilities at work.”

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        I’m in a relationship with a person who apologizes dozens of times a day for stuff that absolutely doesn’t require an apology.

        Basically all that it’s done is make their apologies meaningless.

        And at a certain point it comes off as attention seeking behavior, because it feels like it’s about garnering sympathy instead of actually caring about my feelings.

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          That is often caused by abuse earlier in their life that forms a habit which is hard to break. Frequently being blamed for things they may or may not have done and being forced to apologize becomes a habit, or trying to deflect because they are worried that the other person might be upset when things don’t go perfectly can be hard to stop doing.

          It does come across as attention seeking.

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            Yeah I struggle with it myself. But I’ll also say “hurt people hurt people” is usually used to refer to how many cruel and assertively abusive people have trauma, but it also works very well to describe how many trauma responses including sympathetic ones can damage those around you. I’ve been abused by someone whose entire tactic was about how damaged and traumatized she was and despite her constant lies, I do believe that her self image issues and inability to sit with her thoughts are real, even that she had a background of being abused, but she left behind a trail of hurt people that she’d latched onto as potential saviors. And the inability to handle someone being upset with them is one of the really damaging things about these people, as enforcing boundaries makes you into the villain.

            Sorry if that was more trauma dump than helpful addition. I have feelings about all this

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        I don’t mean this is in a bad way, but they are sort of right on the last part. Apologies aren’t useless though. They are very needed to maintain healthy relationships between people, be they romantic or business or otherwise.

        But I do also get very tired very quickly, if someone is over-apologizing or just constantly doing it. Either there’s a reason for the apology and they constantly fuck up or do something wrong, at least in their own opinion enough to warrant the apology. or they keep saying it where they need not do so which is just frustrating and I have also associated it with lack of confidence.

        Either way, I can understand your ex, and have felt the exact way they did, and I wanted to just stop by and say that it is not necessarily intended as an insult or as a criticism or whatever, just that they really could not deal with it. I had no hard feelings or anything bad to say about the people I’ve met like this, always apologizing, it’s simply a very human incompatibility.

        There are people who don’t perceive the apologies as tiring or annoying or as lack of confidence or whatever. Those people will love you for it. But the people who don’t, aren’t necessarily intending to signal or say it’s bad, it might just be that it’s incompatible with them. That’s how I’ve explained it or how I feel it anyway, but I found myself relating to your ex so thought I’d throw in an anecdote from the other side.

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          What she unironically meant is that you should never, ever apologize even if you realize you fucked up and just double down endlessly. But nice that you assumed the worst possible scenario about me as a person with no context whatsoever, really appreciate that.

          Small anecdote to demonstrate: after we broke up, she went out with her best friend to party and they met some dude that they invited to an after-party at my ex’s place. Best friend hooked up with him and that made my ex so mad that she called the police on both of them (it was during covid - they didn’t practice social distancing, their body their choice, you know). She never apologized for it and it destroyed their friendship for a while. They apparently hang with each other again now, so I dunno what happened. They are both crazy, so birds of a feather I guess.

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            But nice that you assumed the worst possible Scenario about me as a person with no context whatsoever, really appreciate that.

            orgrinrt@lemmy.world generously gave you gentle feedback in case it applied to you. No need to get insulted. They didn’t bother to get more context from you in a to-and-fro because they are not paid to do so.

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        If this was the reason they broke it off, then they did you a favour. A worthwhile relationship wouldn’t end over something so small. Better to move onto more mature partners

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      Apologizing about stuff you don’t need to can be a pretty tiring and unassertive trait. Like in the pic apologizing for asking about a date. Then again, the chad way on the right seems like it would just get a “who dis” reply

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    Yeah, the second I see anyone trying to make a point by using AIGen images, there point is already invalid in my mind.

    They don’t even have the gall to use random non-AI stock images or even better, use shitty hand drawn images.

    Either way, I can’t give this an upvote, morally, but it is kinda funny, though.

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      I still don’t get how it isn’t a gay hookup. How are you supposed to read it?

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        I guess we’re supposed to look at the guy on the left and instead of thinking “He is in distress,” we’re supposed to think, “He is unfuckable.” And we’re supposed to look at the guy on the right and instead of thinking, “He is going to fuck that other guy,” we’re supposed to think, “He is so fuckable.”

        I think it’s gay either way you look at it.

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          It’s confusing af by the way they are facing each other. That is usually meant to communicate “they’re talking with one another”. The Internet is weird.

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            It’s not the internet in this case, it’s AI. It’s shit at comic composition. Even something as simple as where a person is looking can very quickly give it away that it’s AI generated.

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              That’s true. This is one of the AI effects I hadn’t considered. OP made and then posted this image thinking it communicates what they wrote for a prompt. But basically everyone itt is confused about what it means. If someone made this comic from scratch they likely wouldn’t have had the characters face each other because it’s definitely part of why it’s confusing. I guess I’m just getting at there’s something like confirmation bias at play. OP was expecting the result to mean one thing, so they saw it. People without that bias mostly didn’t see it.

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    Maybe I’m getting older but I feel like texting someone so late they didn’t read it until after the proposed meeting time might not be a good strategy either.

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      It’s a power move, bro. They’ll realize they’re already late which creates a sense of urgency. Like and subscribe for more alpha tips on manipulating others.

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          If you send me $45.50 a month, I’ll send you a pair of my musky socks to huff and absorb my masculinity once a week. For another $10, I’ll also send you a supplement pack that’ll help you feel like a real man again. (It’s caffeine, ibuprofen, Mucinex and an secret ingredient that’s legally different from tums).

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      For what it’s worth, the AI is being used by a lame “alpha bro” account that is being mocked in the meme.

      Unrelated, but also worth pointing out to people scrolling by that generally if you know someone wants to hang out you wouldn’t start with an apology. So the guy is likely apologizing because he’s aware his advances are unwanted but is doing it anyway. The second guy is unlikely to get any traction with people he doesn’t already know, and is exemplary as the kind of low effort garbage women complain about on dating apps, or communicating with someone he already has a preexisting relationship with who would already have his address.

      I also read it as two gay guys texting each other at first.

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        Plenty of people lack confidence or have an anxiety disorder, so would be predisposed to assuming that hanging out with them was a burden without any grounds to think so, and potentially feel like they need to include an apology in any invitation. It’s obviously not healthy, but it doesn’t mean that they’re right and that the advances are unwanted.

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          I said “likely”, as I realize that’s not always the case, but in my experience social anxiety is more likely to manifest in “I totally understand if not” than starting out with an apology in this context. That’s just my experience, but starting with an apology is often “nice guy” behavior, which makes sense because a lot of the “alpha” accounts are actually appealing to “nice guys” and not just guys who are nice that happen to have social anxiety.

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            That’s fair. As a socially anxious guy, I probably would go for the “If you want” and/or “If you can’t/don’t want to that’s ok” route.

            I wouldn’t necessarily say that the person on the left in the picture is aware the advance is unwanted, though. Of course, it’s an AI picture, that guy does not exist, but speaking of a hypothetical person with even worse social anxiety than even myself, I could see one like that using “Sorry”. Not because he knows that the advance is unwanted (though it could be that he knows, it just depends by case), but because he assumes any advances from him will be unwanted. Getting rejected every single time would make it hard to assume “Ok but surely next time will be ok”, and so you would operate, from the start, under the assumption that the other person doesn’t want to talk to you.

            I don’t know if my point is coming across too well, but basically what I’m trying to say is this: Once you get to the point where you think every single interaction coming from you is unwanted (which is probably false. Even if most are, it’s highly unlikely all are), then you kinda stop differentiating between when someone actually doesn’t want to talk to you, and when you’re overthinking but you’re actually incorrect. So if the guy would stop trying to interact with people he thinks don’t want to talk to him, he’d essentially stop trying to interact period.

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              Not because he knows that the advance is unwanted (though it could be that he knows, it just depends by case), but because he *assumes* any advances *from him* will be unwanted. Getting rejected every single time would make it hard to assume “Ok but surely next time will be ok”, and so you would operate, from the start, under the assumption that the other person doesn’t want to talk to you.

              At a certain point it doesn’t matter if he knows or assumes. The end result is internally he on some level thinks the advance is unwanted. If I didn’t know, but I assumed someone didn’t want to date me I wouldn’t ask them out. If you’re operating “under the assumption that the other person doesn’t want to talk to you” why are you wanting to date them? I only want to date people that want to at least talk to me. That’s part of what contributes to my assessment it is a nice guy scenario. A legitimately nice person who believed someone didn’t want to talk to/go out with them would not still ask them out just because they can add a “sorry” beforehand.

              I know and have dated a lot of socially anxious people, and in my experience the apology is generally nice guy behavior. Maybe it ends up being a feedback loop of social anxiety>low social skills>less likely to get a date>resentment builds>lashing out, so social anxiety tends to be more associated with nice guy behavior, but I think social anxiety isn’t the underlying factor here and it’s actually low social skills more than social anxiety. I generally do not see social anxiety manifest in an apology like that. I’m sure some actual nice people have opened with apologies, and obviously I recognize it’s a social skill issue, but that doesn’t really change my read of it or my personal experience. Again, totally possible to apologize and not be rude after, but that’s generally not been my experience. If they’re apologizing for the act of reaching out in my experience it’s generally that the first message is rude or there will be rude follow up messages.

              I can’t speak to your experience, but it seems like even you say you would be more likely to express your social anxiety in an “opt out” option. I think that’s a level of social skill above the apology, and that level may contribute to you knowing that being rude is not going to help yourself. Maybe it’s just that people without the social skill to go the “opt out” route instead of the apology route are more likely to be unable to handle social rejection and more likely to fall into antisocial behavior. Just speaking from my experience and the experience of the collective of women I’m in community with.

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                I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with you. My comment was to show a different perspective, not to dismiss or argue against yours. Or rather, not all of it. Cause I do agree on the “Sorry” VS “opt-out” part.

                If I didn’t know, but I assumed someone didn’t want to date me I wouldn’t ask them out. If you’re operating “under the assumption that the other person doesn’t want to talk to you” why are you wanting to date them? I only want to date people that want to at least talk to me.

                Here I would add something, though. If this person doesn’t see a path to success with any woman, I don’t think he should necessarily give up, because at least some of the “There’s no way it’d work” would be false. Some will be correct, but because of the constant rejection the guy faced, he will be assuming all are under the “There’s no way it’d work”-umbrella. So if he stops pursuing a relationship in general in order to avoid women who will reject him (which, in his mind, would be everyone), it’d become a self-fullfilling prophecy: He thinks no girl would be in a relationship with him, therefore he stops trying, therefore no girl would be in a relationship with him.

                To be clear though, I’m not advocating for asking out someone who is actively avoiding you, or someone who already made it clear in some way that she’s not romantically interested. Like if you confess and she says no, he should give up, yes. But not before it’s confirmed that his suspicion is correct. I’ve been rejected many times, all times so far, in fact. I have always stopped the romantic approach towards that person once I knew they didn’t like me romantically. A couple I’m still friends with to this day. Others that I wasn’t particularly as close with before, no, especially once the thing keeping us together ended (as an example, a high school crush after high school was over).

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    why would she be reading the text one minute after it told her to be there? Doesn’t that speak even worse for the alpha male?

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    Lol the attempt to show a fast read actually made it look like the text wasn’t read until after the meeting time had passed.

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    Y’know, I first read the image, and it felt like “Oh, so Man1 isn’t feeling great, so his friend Men2 tells him to come to have at his place to talk about it or just do something fun. That’s a nice friendship”.

    That perception did not survived the rest of the text.