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They sure do act like it’s the 1930s alright…
So conservatives want smaller government and less taxes but they’re totally fine with their tax dollars being used to bribe women to give birth?
So they’re stupid?
I dunno what kind of diaper prices you’ve got in the US, but $5,000 covers diapers 10 times over in a year where I live… Should probably cover food as well, I would think?
I wonder how they’ll make it so it only applies to “Aryan” children. Hitler did the same shit.
Ah yes, the conservatives plan to boost the birth rate has finally come to bear a rotten fruit:
- People can’t afford to have kids
- People can’t afford to feed kids
- People can’t afford to shelter kids
- Therefore they won’t have able bodied kids to keep the retirement and tax doles fulfilled
- Nor will they have able bodied soldiers for war
But they’re boosting the birth rate! (they aren’t, actually, the rate will be even more in decline since the replacement rate in the US was held up by immigration like in most countries, and dumbfuck’s actions have brought a stop to that).
This wouldn’t even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.
And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s
No need to put a /s there
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A: This is the ‘bad’ kind of incentive. My mom worked in a hospital where people would come in pregnant, tons of neglected kids in tow, asking how much wellfare they could get for the next kid. Stuff like vouchers for school, care, healthcare and stuff doesn’t incentive that.
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B: It’s hilariously inadequate and out-of-touch. $5K for childcare these days is a joke, even as a nice supplement.
…But that’s the point. This is for show, like Trump’s COVID checks with his signature on them. It’s a brand to tell people “Hey! I’m Trump, and I’m helping you!” directly, a decent idea poorly implemented for PR purposes. It’s also hilariously hypocritical, seeing how much ‘blank check hand-outs’ were criticized for decades.
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The average cost of delivering a baby in the US, including pre- and post-delivery expenses, is roughly $18,865. However, this figure can vary significantly, just gotta come up with the other 14000 dollars lol do Amerikans know other countries don’t gouge their citizens for everything including birth? Land of the fee home of the slave
Fash privileging heteronormativity in order to increase servitude and hasten planetary destruction? Fairly normal in our culture.
It’s free to give birth here
It’s free to also commit murder.
It’s the part afterwards that might maybe kinda be the issue.
5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€
well, that's
per month until they’re 27 (as long as they’re still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
…We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.
If it’s like the civil war, we’ll kick them out and then build statues and name bases after them.
I’m with you here, but we need to keep in mind that the nazis never “leave”. We’ll need to forever and continually keep these bastards from power.
You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don’t know, either.
whats leave
To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only every outscales the 5k.
See. Let’s ping Trump and tell him about it.
Maybe he’ll see the light
He should know that you can’t buy that many diapers with $5k.
Unless he doesn’t do his own diaper shopping I guess…
With the tariffs that hardly helps.
Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.
How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.
Ironically, thats the exact idea behind the whole trade war thing. It has lead to TSMC already accelerating their plans to expand the Arizona microchip fabrication lab, which means… Factory jobs, the thing we used to have in the 70’s.
US economic output is more than adequate to achieve this already, but we choose instead to concentrate the benefits in the hands of a few.
Regarding tarrifs bringing back manufacturing: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/trumps-tariffs-what-is-behind-them-and-will-they-work “but this is very unlikely to work. Manufacturing has changed, with production now spread across multiple countries in so-called ‘global value chains’. Moving whole supply chains back to the US is going to be prohibitively expensive, result in rising consumer prices and make US-produced goods internationally uncompetitive. The model of manufacturing that underpins Trump’s approach simply hasn’t existed for the best part of 40 years, and is not coming back.”
That’s not going to solve anything because it’s going to make products more expensive, which is the ‘exact idea.’
Enrich American oligarchs instead of those abroad that might be giving us a better deal.
Daycare cost $2k a month
Is that for real? That’s more than (many) private schools in Europe.
A 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house in Toronto costs more than a castle in france
Well to be fair, that’s what it costs in many European countries, too.
That’s why many women don’t work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.
That’s why everyone needs free daycare. That will generate a higher GDP for everyone.
https://www.daycarefee.com/countries/germany/
I don’t have a full analysis, but at least this source points at 1500 to be the high end of the expensive cities in Germany, with public care as low as 100.
So is 2000 a “normal” value in many areas, or a high end of some?
I have the feeling this is inflated and we just accept.
$3000 is average in the big cities for infant care in a daycare center, and it drops down to about $2000 for toddlers.
Some places have options for home-based care where a person can get licensed to take care of children in their own home, and the prices are generally about half of that of the center-based care.
One big issue is ratios. If the wage for a child care worker is $30/hour including the cost of paid vacation, health insurance, and you need coverage for 9 hours per day, 5 days a week, while needing to maintain one teacher for every 4 kids, that’s $340/week or about $1450/month for labor alone, assuming no overtime and perfect staffing ratios. Throw in food, rent, utilities, insurance, other operational expenses, and it’s pretty much impossible to provide care for less than $2000/month per child on the costs side.
Thanks for sharing.
I checked for Netherlands and it seems to be easily over 2k a month for fulltime care (172-240 hours).
The thing I wasn’t aware of is the subsidies low income parents receive. Up to 96%. Seems to be a bit lower in practice, but still almost all is covered.
That doesn’t account for high cost areas, and is dependent on income. But the conclusion seems to be that it’s far cheaper than I mentioned for the end consumer.
So 2000 a month is greater than the max of the range in the most expensive states.
All values are crazy, don’t get me wrong. But less crazy than originally stated.
Daycare is like a fraction of actually raising a child.
Outside of daycare:
There’s diapers. There’s meals. There’s meds. There’s clothes and recreational material.
Even the most expensive states are averaged out between cheap suburban and rural areas and the actual expensive cities where the jobs are. $2000/month would be an unbelievable bargain in cities like San Francisco or New York.
That’s why many women don’t work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.
Interesting point. We should re-normalize the idea of the stay-at-home mom.
Let’s be real, the people who promoted women going to work were almost always willing to shame those who decided not to. Let’s stop doing that.
As a stay-at-home mom, you need to let people make that choice.
Having to do something because of finances isn’t a choice.
I sort of agree, because no one should be shamed. The issue I have with the statement is that current “trad wife” trends are at best exclusive and at their worst completely toxic. I definitely don’t want to see that either.
Let’s just leave it at: let every woman choose themselves and make it as easy as possible for those who do want to do paid work.
Lets promote stay at home dads too. No reason to make this a gendered thing
Or we could have 2 day shifts of 20 hours and parents could each work one, that way neither is particularly vulnerable to financial abuse and neither has to sacrifice as much of raising their children.
Stay at home parents should get paid. If free daycare would cost the government $20 a day, offer stay at home parents $10 a day and you save money while allowing people to raise their kids instead of strangers.
What in the tradwife?
Well you see it’s actually empowering because it’s the only way they can afford it. /s
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/15/business/child-care-cost-average-annual
It can depend of state to state too. In Oklahoma, our cost of living is considered low but we have a high poverty rate. Our median income per household is 67k, and single income is 35k. Childcare for infants averages around $800 a month
