The formerly enslaved people willing to speak out and use their names on camera for this doco are incredibly brave. They are going to be targeted for this, and they know it. The system does not want to stop making money, and it will do anything to protect the cashflow.
Yeah the USA is a slave empire, they have to be stopped.
Found this bad boi a while back and applied personal boycotts. Assume that it’s still accurate after five years but haven’t found an updated version. Prison labour is slave labour by another name.
Y’all really ain’t ready for the slavery in the US agriculture sector conversation. It’s really bad, and this ICE shit is just acceleration
But those are my Mexicans
Or why they have decimated public education in black communities.
And just in general. Black communities were definitely hit hardest and first, but the damage isn’t solely contained there.
The Right essentially decided to destroy public education in response to desegregation.
The district I worked for was excellent in the 50’s and 60’s. Now, the only high school that isn’t a failure is the application school all the white kids get into.
3/5ths…
holy shit yikes
If this was fiction I’d be complaining about how on-the-nose it was.
I find myself saying words to this effect more and more, and more and more lately
Holy shit! The ratio is really 3/5! wtf!?
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Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone please explain 3/5ths to me like in 5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Sin_(disambiguation)
I tried to pay attention but they classes wasn’t interestin They seemed to only glorify the europeans Claimin africans were only three-fifths a human being
jfc
And how is that different from slavery?
It isn’t, this is how they get around it, and literally wrote into the amendment banning slavery to leave a carve out for prisoners
Could also explain why prisons are such a big industry in the US
All of our 401ks invest in it.
also to put them in perpetually low wage jobs, where they cant complain, much like they do with Immigrants. and to live them socioeconomically disadvantaged for generations with no way to lift them out of.
They get a whole 3/5 of their wages!
I see what you did there
it is slavery with extra steps, and to say its “not like slavery”
USA - the country that have “except” in thier “no slavery” rule. I’m not even joking. Thats 100% true.
Slavery is illegal except for prisoners. Forcing prisoners to work is perfectly constitutional.
The bill of rights is wrong and must be admended. Closing this loop hole will kill the for profit prison industrial complex.
The only thing Capitalists love more than wage theft is slavery
It’s been that way since the end of the civil war.
It won’t kill the for profit prisons, this is just an aspect of how for profit prisons make profit.
They should ban for profit prisons outright.
Btw, the bill of rights is only the first 10 amendments. The 13th is just an amendment.
More like bill of wrongs amirite
The constitution makes slavery legal for prisoners
Says so right there literally just read the 13th amendment
Had a whole civil war over it and still didn’t get rid of slavery.
The amendment to abolish slavery enshrines it in the Constitution
Yeah lmao this is the amendment making slavery illegal….exceptaspunishmentforacrime
Tho I guess in fairness involuntary labor for prisoners is not really like slavery of innocent people but that’s why we have a corrupt criminal justice system to make up the difference 😃
Black americans have the highest rate of incarceration for this exact reason. Racist cops, lawyers, and judges get to lock up black people and make them slaves.
Slavery, Part Deux: OOPS! ALL CRIMINALS!
“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it” - Lincoln
Slavery never went away. It’s just been rebranded, repackaged and sanitized.
Not American, but isn’t that what the 13th amendment did? Make slave labour legal for prisons?
the crazy thing about this story (aside from the slavery) is that the voters of Alabama voted to outlaw that exception at the state level but ever since then, their governor has overidden that effort.
Yep!
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
As a foreigner, you probably know more about the US Constitution than most US citizens. And I’m saying that as a natural born US citizen.
and fugitive slave patrols became police
The 13th Amendment allows for forced labor in prisons. This is how Trump and the GOP will reinstitute slavery in the USA.
It’s been a feature of the US prison system since the end of Reconstruction. This isn’t something Trump invented.
Bright Blue California rejected a measure to ban prison slavery just a year ago.
They weren’t suggesting Trump invented it. They were suggesting Trump plans to expand it, nationalize it, and institutionalize it.
According to the AP article it isn’t forced per say, but it is highly leveraged onto inmates using early release/parole as a carrot.
Turning down work can jeopardize chances of early release in a state that last year granted parole to only 8% of eligible prisoners — an all-time low, and among the worst rates nationwide — though that number more than doubled this year after public outcry.
I would say threatening someone with more prison time absolutely counts as “forced”.
I’m not justifying or agreeing with it, but I think accuracy is important to minimize holes people can poke in discussions when you bring things like this topic up. It isn’t precisely being threatened with more time than the initial sentence, it is being threatened with not successfully getting a shorter time through parole.
Again though, for the sake of accuracy, that’s still Force. Saying you won’t be eligible for something that you should be eligible for normally, taking away that opportunity via a threat is absolutely Force. Especially when that’s something is your freedom.
I’m not here to argue on the situation. What I am saying is that if you discuss this with somebody neutral or opposed to you, it matters to make sure you position yourself well. Otherwise you can get completely sidetracked over words, as we are currently.
If you say “prisoners are being forced to work”, that can turn into a losing discussion quickly when you have to get into an extended discussion about how prisoners aren’t actively being dragged to work against their will. Actively being dragged out of their cells and put to work would be the initial connotation, as I’ve even seen in this thread. Once that connotation is shown not to be what’s happening, you’ll lose people quickly.
If right out of the gate you say prisoners are being coerced to work with the threat of an unfair parole hearing, you are on a much stronger foundation that people can’t truthfully pick at.
I get the feeling you feel so strongly about this that you might not care about what other people initially think initially or that you don’t want to give ground on what qualifies as forcing something, but if you want to get your message across, making it more bulletproof helps it.
This isn’t how debates work outside of school and the style of argument is basically useful nowhere
When you say sidetracked do you mean something like what we’re doing right now because you continue to inaccurately describe the use of force? Cuz that’s what’s happening right now. You are misusing the word and it has caused the conversation to derail.
The more I learn about the US, the more I realise the shining city on the hill I believed in as a child is actually a giant dumpster fire.
It’s like Trump being what poor people envision as rich.
America is what other countries view as prosperous, when in reality it’s just 10 rich people in a trench coat, and 350 million suffering underneath.
Remember kids, if the republicans start complaining that someone is stealing their money, it means the state is.
Alabama ranks at a surprising 10th in most federally dependent at 61%
Note: No. 1 means most dependent. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700
Unionizing is NEVER illegal. Source: The thousands upon thousands of people that have died over the years for your right to organize.
And besides, what’re they gonna do, put them in prison?
The video gets into this a bit; what the workers are threatened with for not working is stuff like being put in a more dangerous environment and not being able to see their families.
Sounds cruel and unusual
Definitely cruel but not at all unusual. And as SCOTUS has determined, a punishment has to be both cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional.
lol, right?
for prisoners? pretty sure they cant unionize, and they wont be able to.
Lol. For prisoners; you wanna bet?
America never ended slavery.
