Workers should learn AI skills and companies should use it because it’s a “cognitive amplifier,” claims Satya Nadella.
in other words please help us, use our AI
“Cognitive amplifier?” Bullshit. It demonstrably makes people who use it stupider and more prone to believing falsehoods.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer. And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them. The smart ones are avoiding it like the blight on humanity that it is.
As evidence: How the fuck is a company as big as Microsoft letting their CEO keep making such embarassing public statements? How the fuck has he not been forced into more public speaking training by the board?
This is like the 4th “gaffe” of his since the start of the year!
You don’t usually need “social permission” to do something good. Mentioning that is at best, publicly stating that you think you know what’s best for society (and they don’t). I think the more direct interpretation is that you’re openly admitting you’re doing the type of thing that you should have asked permission for, but didn’t.
This is past the point of open desperation.
Love your name.
Wild guess here is the social one is the one where most countries has allowed them to do what it takes and special contract deals.
Likely not public socially. At least, I doubt that.
Last time they were crying that nobody wanted it and made the word bad. It’s all kinda strategy to converse most amount of people you can. Like other users mentioned above the post of people in their org using gpt. I see this too in my org and by variety or engineers or regular folks and I face palm every time because you get responses that roughly makes sense but contextually are horrendously poor and misunderstood entirely.
Desperation probably because they invested so much money on something of a demand that doesn’t even exit yet.
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And they are all getting dependent and addicted to something that is currently almost “free” but the monetization of it all will soon come in force. Good luck having the money to keep paying for it or the capacity to handle all the advertisement it will soon start to push out. I guess the main strategy is manipulate people into getting experience with it with these 2 or 3 years basically being equivalent to a free trial and ensuring people will demand access to the tools from their employees which will pay from their pockets. When barely anyone is able to get their employers to pay for things like IDEs… Oh well.
We watched this exact same tactic happen with Xbox gamepass over the last 5 years. They introduced it and left in the capability to purchase the “upgrade” for $1/year. Now they are suddenly cranking it up to $30/month and people are still paying it because they feel like it’s a service they “have to have”.
Which is why I’ve dropped it myself. Not worth the price.
I’m usually too lazy when it comes to canceling things, but I canceled Game Pass right away. $30 per month is just offensive.
Agreed
Is it $30/month on top of Xbox gold or does the game pass include it?
It’s included, but good lord if that’s not a very high price for temporary access to a collection of bargain bin games. You could buy a full price game every other month for that money.
or 3-6 indies on sale - hell if you save up that money you can go nuts every steam/gog same, 360$ should get you around 1k$ games retail price upwards if you are a patient gamer
Edit: and you can KEEP that, not temporary
On top of that, I have personally developed some gaming habits that I don’t care for at all as a direct result of gamepass.
Subscriptions are thieves of intentionality
What type of habits?
The theoretically vast availability has made me quick to abandon games that didn’t deserve it. I’m having a lot of difficulty committing to even some objectively good games. I don’t enjoy the bouncing around and yet I keep doing it. It feels related to FOMO.
Gold doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s game pass core or something…the rate went up with that forced “migration”. You do get access to a few “free” games with core, but you gotta pay way more to have the full deal. I think core (which is the cheapest, baseline option) is $70/yr now? (Edit- i just checked my statement, it’s $78.50)
Small sample but everyone i know dropped it on the increase to 30 bucks. One of them had been primarily playing PlayStation and xbox for the last decade but has gotten and primarily plays steam deck now.
This recent massive price hike (it fucking doubled) is what got me to cancel my live, completely.
I’ve been subscribed since 2002, when it first released. So their greed lost a sure stream of income. I’m not alone.
Textbook example of enshittification.
Hell, Microsoft and Apple did the same thing decades ago. Microsoft offered computer discounts to high schools and colleges, so that the students would be used to (and demand) Microsoft when they went into the business world. Apple then undercut that by offering very discounted products to elementary and junior high schools, so that the students would want Apple products in higher education and the business world.
The tactic let them write off all the discounts on their taxes, but lock in customers and raise prices on business (and eventually consumer) goods.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
I just spent two days fixing multiple bugs introduced by some AI made changes, the person who submitted them, a senior developer, had no idea what the code was doing, he just prompted some words into Claude and submitted it without checking if it even worked, then it was “reviewed” and blindly approved by another coworker who, in his words, “if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
“if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
Show him the errors of his ways. People learn best by experience.
You’re right, they SHOULD be fired.
Management loves that they are using AI, they will probably get promoted if anything.
It’s being pushed very hard by management where I work and I’m consistently seeing the same as above. I mentioned on another thread recently that I’ve heard “I don’t know why Claude did that” multiple times over the past few weeks.
It’s infuriating.
The number of times I’ve been debugging something and a coworker messages “I asked ChatGPT and it said [obviously wrong thing]” makes me want to gouge my eyes out
And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them.
This is the one that really concerns me. It feels like generations of students are just going to learn to push the slop button for any and everything they have to do. Even if these bots were everything techbros claimed they are, this would still be devastating for society.
Well, one way or another it won’t be too many generations. Either we figure out it’s a bad idea or sooner or later things will go off the wheels enough that we won’t maintain the infrastructure to support everyone using this type of “AI”. Being kind of right 90% of the time is not good enough at a power plant.
Even one or two seems like it’d be catastrophic. And if nothing’s changed until they enter the workforce and start fucking shit up, I’d say that’s something like 10 years of teens becoming dependent on it and losing out on critical education and development (presuming worst case - no market crash). That’s a lot of damage.
Businesses have invested too much time, money and promises in AI to admit they made a mistake, now. And like all business models based on the Sunk Cost Fallacy, it’s going to do a lot of damage along the way before it finally dies.
I’ve been programming professionally for 25 years. Lately we’re all getting these messages from management that don’t give requirements but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.” We can see where this is going: management are convincing themselves that our jobs can be reduced to copy-pasting code generated by a machine, and the next step will be to eliminate programmers and just have these clueless managers. I think AI is robbing management of skills as well as developers. They can no longer express what they want (not that they were ever great at it): we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.”
we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
It may be time for some malicious compliance.
Don’t reverse engineer anything. Do as your told and “just put this in” and deploy it. Everything will break and management will explode, but now you’ve demonstrated that they can’t just replace you with AI.
Now explain what you’ve been doing (reverse engineering to figure out their requirements), but that you’re not going to do that anymore. They need to either give you proper requirements so that you can write properly working code, or they give you AI slop and you’re just going to “put it in” without a second thought.
You’ll need your whole team on board for this to work, but what are they going to do, fire the whole team and replace them with AI? You’ll have already demonstrated that that’s not an option.
So in your case, not only is the LLM coding assistant not making you faster, it’s actively impeding your productivity and the productivity of your stakeholders. That sucks, and I’m sorry you’re having to put up with it.
I’m lucky that in my day job, we’re not (yet) forced to use LLMs, and the “AI coding platform” our upper management is trying to bring on as an option is turning out to be an embarrassing boondoggle that can’t even pass cybersecurity review. My hope is that the VP who signed off on it ends up shit-canned because it’s such a piece of garbage.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
Yes. Then I come on Lemmy and see a dedicated pack of heralds constantly professing that they do the work of 10 devs while eating bon bons and everyone that isn’t using it is stupid. So annoying
God, that’s so frustrating. I want to shake them and shout, “No, your code is 100% ass now, but you don’t know it because it passes tests that were written by the same LLM that wrote your code! And you have barely laid eyes on it, so you’re forgetting what good code even looks like!”
I decided not to finish my college program partially because of AI like chatgpt. My last 2 semesters would have been during the pandemic with an 8 month work term before. Covid ended up canceling the work term and would give me the credit anyway. The rest of the classes would all be online and mostly multiple choice quizs. There wasn’t a lot of AI scanning tech for academic submissions yet either. I felt if i continued, I’d be getting a worse product for the same price (online vs in class/lab), wont get that valuble work experience, and id be at a disadvantage if i didnt use AI in my work.
Luckily my program had a 2 year of 3 year option. The first 2 years of the 3 year is the same so i just took the 2 year cert and got out.
Wym you would be at a disadvantage? College isn’t a competition. By not using AI in the learning process and submissions you might get a lower grade than others, but trust me no one fucking checks your college grades. They check if you know what you are doing.
In fact you wouldn’t get a lower grade, others would have an inflated grade which then won’t translate to skills and will have issues in the workforce.
It didn’t sit right with me. I made the deans list each semester before that for good grades. I wanted no speculation that my grades were influenced by AI in the next semester. In a competitive job market, making the deans list consistently could absolutely stand out among other candidates. It shows respect for deadlines and the education.
This has to be a bot - no student in the history of the universe has ever said this, ever
Not a bot. Both my internship interviews commented on me making the deans list.
Was AI really that big of a thing at the time of Covid?
It was just starting out around that time, hence why it wasn’t much of a concern in my earlier semesters. Plus they had better in class controls for cheating like monitoring computers and in person exams instead of online. You would have got an instant fail if you got caught using AI or plagarism on your projects.
So…he has something USELESS and he wants everybody to FIND a use for it before HE goes broke?
I’ll get right on it.
Nice paraphrasing!
I was expecting something much worse but to me it deels like he’s saying “we, the people working on this stuff, need to find real use cases that actually justifies the expense” which is…pretty reasonable
Not defending him or Microsoft at all here but it sounds like normal business shit, not a CEO begging users to like their product
I mean, it would be a lot more reasonable if the entire tech industry hadn’t gone absolutely 100% all-in on investing billions and billions of dollars into the technology before realizing that they didn’t have any use cases to justify that investment.
It‘s insane how he says „we“ not as in „we at Microsoft“ but as in „Me, I and myself as the sole representative of the world economy say: Find use cases for my utterly destructive slop machine… or else!“
Tech CEOs have all gone mad by protagonist syndrome.
Well, he is the “money man”. He doesn’t DO any of the work himself, he “buys” workers.
He has NO skill, NO knowledge, NO training, NO license. Just money. All you need is money.
“Social permission” is one term for it.
Most people don’t realize this is happening until it hits their electric bills. Microslop isn’t permitted to steal from us. They’re just literal thieves and it takes time for the law to catch up.
[Microsoft are] just literal thieves.
Always have been.
(But now it’s worse because it’s the entire public, not just their competitors)
They aren’t Microsoft anymore, they’re full on Microslop.
you will enjoy your chatbot that confidently tells lies while electricity bill goes up by 50% and the nearby datacentres try to make the next model not use em-dashes
As a long-time user of the em-dash I’m pissed off that my usual writing style now makes people think I used AI. I have to second-guess my own punctuation and paraphrase.
We suffer together! At least my semicolon is still safe.
I don’t use LLMs for anything creative for the express purpose of avoiding generic tone, haha.
Yeah. I just wouldn’t feel comfortable putting my name to a slice of that dreary blandness.
The whole point of “AI” is to take humans OUT of the equation, so the rich don’t have to employ us and pay us. Why would we want to be a part of THAT?
AI data centers are also sucking up all the high quality GDDR5 ram on the market, making everything that relies on that ram ridiculously expensive. I can’t wait for this fad to be over.
Not to mention the water depletion and electricity costs that the people who live near AI data centers have to deal with, because tech companies can’t be expected to be responsible for their own usage.
I mean, do you really think it’s better idea to let them build their own water and power system separate?
They should be forced to upgrade the existing infrastructure so everyone benefits.
They should be forced to upgrade existing infrastructure and pay for it. They are refusing to pay for it, and the electric companies are passing the costs onto the residents near these data centers, which is grossly unfair.
I’d love to take humans out of the equation of all work possible. The problem is how the fascist rulers will treat the now unemployed population.
Yep. Ideal future is robots do all the work for us while we enjoy life.
But realistic future is rich people enjoy life while normal people starve.
“social permission”?
Society didn’t even permit you and others to spread AI onto everyone to begin with.
I don’t think there’s a single data center anywhere that a significant amount of locals are even ambilivient a out, let alone support…
In pretty much every place, they’re getting massive tax breaks citizens pay for, and cheaper energy prices because citizens will pay the higher cost due to increased demand of the data center.
We need to seize all this shit from corps.
Stop fucking around, once trump is handled we need to nationalize a whole lot of shit that’s been privatized the last 50 years.
I’ve also read reports that the noise levels and pollution coming out of these things is staggering. Not to mention they appear to be built as quickly as possible with little regard for laws and regulations.
Fucks the water up too.
People that live too close turn their taps open and can get barely a trickle, sometimes literally nothing.
Because the data centers are sucking up potable water for cooling because it’s cheaper to run it wild open no matter what than paying for a sustainable cooling system up front.
Data centers should be demolished by act of a real leader if we ever get one. They got this data by corrupt means perverting our laws and regulators. They deserve to lose their entire investments, that information is a threat to society and we should not allow tech lords to control it.
demolish
Fuck that, repurpose them. Even if you just break down the tech components and use the buildings for something unrelated.
They deserve to lose their entire investments
Yes, nationalization involves the seizing of resources…
I’m just saying there’s no reason to destroy anything
High Performance Compute for medical research to go with the free healthcare we should also have in this scenario.
That information is a danger in the hands of government. Burn the motherfuckers down. There is no legitimate need for that much computing power, all devoted to enslaving us.
As opposed to legal permission, which, hahahahaha
techbros don’t understand consent
Fuck this loser. We have enough issues to deal with on a daily basis. We don’t need to subsidize your fear of having wasted ungodly amounts of money and becoming irrelevant.
That’s a YOU problem, fool.
I already had enough reasons not to bother using it, he didn’t need to give me another one!
AI is the new 3dTV
It’s way worse than 3Dtv.
Yes, 3d tv was pushed too soon. If they waited for the glassless technology (like the 3ds screen for example) I think we would have 3d screen everywhere. Now the tech is dead because people had a really bad perception of 3d tv.
The 3DS screen kinda sucked though. It only worked well when your eyes were inside a very tight cone straight in front of the screen. Move your head just a little bit and the image went to shit. And even when it did work, it looked more cool than good, if that makes sense. That narrow fov thing is an inherent limitation of the technology that can hardly be worked around, and it makes it practically useless for TVs. Multiple people can’t view that screen because you can’t expect everyone to be in the vision cone at once. You can’t even properly view it alone because you won’t be staying inside that narrow vision cone the whole time you’ll be sitting on your couch watching Avatar.
I never saw mine as anything more than a cool gimmick, and kept its 3D-ness turned off 95% of the time. There’s a reason Nintendo didn’t pursue it further.
Hey, I like my 3D TV. Every once in a while I manage to find a pirated video that’s in 3D and it’s pretty neat. And unlike the current avalanche of generative/LLM bullshit, I can turn the 3D off, and when I do it works just fine as a perfectly ordinary TV, and in no way does it nag me incessantly to turn it back on.
Avoid spending trillions on a product nobody wants to pay for.
Social permission? I dont remember that we had a vote or something on this bullshit.
Social permission = shareholder permission
He’s saying “we need an ROI on all the cash we are burning before they sell up and the board kick me out for being a delusional and incompetent buffoon”
Get in the sea Nadella
Perhaps he considers society not insisting their politicians kick them out societal permission.
AI can absolutely be useful. But it’s been wildly oversold and the actual beneficial use cases are not nearly as profitable as the marketing around it
I got deepseek to run short roleplaying adventures that are surprisingly fun and engaging. It’s an amped up choose your own adventur, so for this application, the future is bright.
Not a single other llm can do this in any way approaching acceptable.
And it still lies and makes shit up, but in a fantasy world, the can let it pass unless it is trying to rob me of experience lol.
When it can do long sessions and entire careers instead of detailed one offs it’ll have found its niche for me. Right now, it’s just a fun toy, prone to hallucinations.
I can’t believe people use these things for code…
Right now, it’s just a fun toy, prone to hallucinations.
That’s the thing though - with an LLM, it’s all “hallucinations”. They’re just usually close to reality, and are presented with an authoritative, friendly voice.
(Or, in your case, they’re usually close to the established game reality!)
Citizen developers of the world, disband!!
So they pushed to make AI, but never had a good use case for it that was world changing, so now they want help to monetize it.
Feels like most trending tech these days. I’m so tired.
I work in AI and the only obvious profit is the ability to fire workers. Which they need to rehire after some months, but lowering wages. It is indeed a powerful tool, but tools are not driving profits. They are a cost. Unless you run a disinformation botnet, scamming websites, or porn. It is too unpredictable to really automatize software creation ( fuzzy is the term, we somehow mitigate with stochastic approach ). Probably movie industry is also cutting costs, but not sure.
AI is the way capital is trying to acquire skills cutting off the skilled.
Have to say though that having an interfacd that understands natural language opens so many possibilities. Which could really democratize access to tech, but they are so niche that they would never really drive profit.
AI is the way capital is trying to acquire skills cutting off the skilled.
They are banking on that. They have been talking about replacing humanity for decades. But what rhat means is a few select humans (I.E. them) will survive and be tended to hand and foot by AI who will also invent things for them.
They want that. We aren’t there yet… and probably never will. But that is what they want.
When the rest of us can’t afford to eat and face famine because the rich have gotten so fat off of hoarding everything, people will have no other choice but to eat the rich
The entire world order was built on crushing dissent and monitoring anyone inching to do anything. They probably let people vent by not censoring stuff online but they are probably documentating every we say. My question is not why, but how the hell can it be organized? I am honestly afraid to show up anywhere because I feel like the moment I do I will be blackbagged and disappeared.
