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    Remember when Obama decided that “moving on” was more important than prosecuting the Bush admin for war crimes? There won’t ever be any consequences for these people unless we find a way to distribute them ourselves.

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        I mean the dogs in that experiment were right, they were being tortured by humans and they had no control over their experience. The fact that sometimes the humans turned off the shock to fuck with them doesnt really change that they were powerless.

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    Some of us pretended to to wrap presents for the kids. Others erased evidence that could help put a pedophile in jail.

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      I’d rather see her be subject to the rule of law, or even vigilanteism, before I wanted to see the government doing still more blatantly illegal shit.

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    I hope that if I’m ever in the papers for abandoning my morals, my oaths, and all dignity in egregiously stupid ways, that my wonton and clear law-breaking is characterized as defiance.

    “Oh, no, your honor, I wasn’t breaking all those laws! I was defying them!”

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      I hope if I’m ever in the papers for defying the law, abandoning my morals and doing some that will be remembered with scorn through all of history, it will be for something like assassinating someone I learn from a time traveler will become the next genocidal scourge to humanity.

      Not, you know… helping a kid rapist get away with raping kids.

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    Then what will be the consequences? I don’t give a fuck that these people are breaking the law if nothing is going to be DONE about it. I want a headline that says Trump and his cronies are to be prosecuted. Not might be! ARE! and I want the trial to happen quickly, not be dragged out for four years, by which time America has irreversibly descendended into fascism!

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      Trump and his cronies need to be removed from the office, not prosecuted. Not because a part of the population strongly disagrees with his policies, but simply because he has been blatantly disregarding the constitution. And if you think “only the supreme court can decide if that’s true” I’m sorry but you’re wrong, you only need a brain. You don’t need a conviction to know that he is a paedophile and has something weird going on with Putin, you just need your eyes and ears. The epstein files have now been released, clearly implicating him, yet people still seem to be waiting for “the official thing” and crying about the redactions. I understand that he “allegedly” is an Epstein associate until he’s convicted, but dear Americans please remember that being found guilty of something is not the same as being guilty of something. You can be one without the other. You can be reasonably certain someone did something based on the evidence you’ve seen. Judges are not superhuman, and especially if they’re complicit, how can you rely on them to stop the injustice?

      This really is not a call for violence. I do not care how you stop Trump from hurting the USA and the rest of the world, but it does need to happen, and You The People are the only ones who can make it happen. It is your duty and your right to resist tyranny, isn’t it? I hope new “political” figures can rise soon and accomplish that with nothing but charisma and a spine, but at the very least, please stop being so defeatist towards the lack of consequences.

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        I’m not sure if this is directed at me specifically or the American people but 1) I’m not American and 2) I’m not being defeatist, I’m demanding something be done to change things just like you are. Before the people can do something, they need to recognize that the government isn’t going to do anything to stop this

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          No this is not directed to you at all, just seemed like a good space to vent :)

          I just hope Americans can find hope and love for each other again, and really be the “beacon of liberty” they purport to be.

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      Get involved in your community. Learn who runs your town, your county, your school district, your state.

      Find out who represents what, spend a few hours a week reading and sharing info on local/neighborhood social media, volunteer if you really have the time and drive to make changes. Even just hold a yard sale and get to know your neighbors if you live in that kind of environment.

      The reason nobody is paying attention to the law is we stopped paying attention to the people who are supposed to uphold it. We only tune in every 4 years when the circus comes to town, meanwhile the entire fetid clownshow is propped up on a foundation of local representatives and judges and boards of people who largely run uncontested or are installed by companies, not groups of people.

      They are leveraging our short attention spans to vote in people who will favor corporate interests over law, and those corporations? they will work harder to erode our attention even further. We can fix this, but it has to start at home.

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      Prosecuted by who? Themselves? We’re in a fascist state lol, anyone who thinks anyone is going to be legitimately prosecuted is living in a fantasy world.

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      Disbarred and indicted is a very real possibility for a Trump associated lawyer. I lost count how many times that happened

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    There have been dozens, if not more, of impeachable offenses Trump has committed and they don’t care. Why would they care about this, which helps their dear leader?

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      Because no one cares about Pam Bondi, but the American people care about the Epstein files

      Who’s going to defend her? She made the administration look bad while also pissing off the public

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        In n particular, MAGA care about the Epstein files. This is a major crack in their coalition. They spent years throwing around conspiracy theories about pedophile cults secretly running the world. They are obsessed with the Epstein files, and the more Trump tries to obfuscate their contents, the more they have to start wondering what his skin in the game is. We’re already seeing it happen with people like MTG publicly turning on him.

        It’s still a cult. They don’t want to suspect dear leader of anything. But the more he works to conceal stuff, the more they’re trapped between two things they hold at absolute truths. One of them has to give eventually.

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        Who’s going to defend her?

        More pressing, who is going to prosecute her? To date, I’ve seen zero impulse under any prior administration to prosecute the wrongdoing of outgoing officials.

        The closest case has been the half assed effort to get Leticia James on… misreporting a mortgage statement?

        Nobody at the highest levels of government and business actually want to fuck with one another. It is always and forever punching down on the plebs.

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          Congress. They can just impeach her

          I mean she could refuse to leave, but then she’d be committing all sorts of crimes on a daily basis

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            I mean she could refuse to leave, but then she’d be committing all sorts of crimes on a daily basis.

            Now Trump definitely won’t fire her. He loves criminals who do crimes for him.

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              No, Trump loves Trump. Everyone else is useful until they’re not, at which point they get thrown under the bus or conveniently commit suicide.

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              No he doesn’t… He doesn’t give a shit about them. He’s abandoned so many loyalists it’s crazy

              He talks shit about them even. He relishes when they get punished in his name

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              Yes, but really no.

              They impeached him, which is the name of the procedure to remove an official from office, but then they didn’t have the Senate votes to remove him from office

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                  Us, right now?

                  This isn’t a unicorn. Literally the entire Senate voted to release the Epstein files, that unanimously passed law in the Senate was not followed

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      The only thing the military should be doing is locking up the administration for crimes against humanity

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      The last several federal elections have seen the highest turnout in US history.

      The problem is not turnout, it’s information. Exit polling has shown over and over that the median voter, the bulk of our voting base, have no idea what’s going on because they don’t know who or what is real. We had Obama voters voting for Trump. We had Bernie bros voting for Trump. When asked, these people shrugged and broadly felt it didn’t matter. This is by design, the powers behind the power want YOU to tune out and think that voting is useless.

      The DNC is a container, the contents have spoiled, we can pour the contents out and replace them. This is the best bet to turn things around, and anyone who doesn’t see that obviously has no actual idea of the scale and scope of the nation’s electoral system.

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        have no idea what’s going on because they don’t know who or what is real.

        oh fuck no. They choose to believe what they want to hear. That’s what the digital era has done, you can get news all day long that tells you what you want to hear, and “news sources” like Fox poll viewers on what they want to hear, not actual news.

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          They choose to believe what they want to hear.

          I am pretty cynical, but not so cynical that I blame all the problems on people who are just trying to get through a life that requires working 6 - 7 days a week just to eat and haven’t had the exposure to varied viewpoints and have had the curiosity beaten out of them.

          No, that direction lay hate. And that’s what a certain set of people WANT. There are very wealthy people who benefit from all of us blaming each other for falling for very human, natural ploys.

          YOU ARE NOT BETTER. YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO MISINFORMATION OR PROPAGANDA. I don’t care what you say, you’re just like any of us. Any of us are susceptible to the system you describe that atomizes our perspectives. I don’t blame people for falling into it because it’s bigger than any single one of us, it’s huge and has reach everywhere.

          The direction for our hate and ire and desire for vindication needs to be leveled at the grifters, the influencers and the oligarchs who win as long as we’re not united and sympathetic to each other. We need to attack the systems that are harming people, not the people being harmed by them.

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      And now we see the dbshitter answer of ‘do fucking nothing but complain and let bigots kill minorities.’

      To own the libs of course.

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      Government be like “I’m gonna count to three…one…two…two and a half…two and three quarters…two and seven eighths…two and fifteen sixteenths…”

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    Unimpeachable: Republicans control too many seats to ever allow successful impeachment (even less conviction) of any of their loyal gang members.

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      This needs to be hammered home every time people meme about writing strongly worded letters.

      They literarily have NO POWER.

      That said, if Democrats take back power and do not fully prosecute these fuckers there needs to be riots.

      Check that, we’ve seen Biden, we KNOW centrist Democrats won’t do shit.

      We need leftist flooding the primaries and sweeping out the old Democratic guard.

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        I’m a school bus driver and one time I was chewing out some misbehaving kids. At one point I said “if you guys don’t stop I’m going to report you to the principal and he’s going to, uh, give you a stern talking-to” and I just started laughing because it was so pathetic. The Repubs are like the kids on my bus: they know they can do whatever they like and nobody’s going to be able to do anything about it.