• Aether Mechanic@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.orgOP
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    No. People on food stamps should not be using food stamps to buy mcdonalds. It’s cheaper buying food staples at grocery store. People are free to buy Mcdonalds with their own money, but not money that I am giving them.

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          A millionth of cent from your taxes goes to each recipient and that has you acting like little tyrant.

          Conservativism is a mental illness, seek therapy.

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            I’m not acting like a little tyrant. I didn’t start the bill, and I am not in the state where it’s happening. My state already denies SNAP people buying McDonalds. Most states don’t allow it. That state is just catching up to the other states.

            So what are you actually concerned about? Are you also upset that all the other states don’t allow it? Even the democrat-run ones?

            Also, I’m not a conservative. So nice try.

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              It’s like you don’t understand that not everybody has the means to make regular trips to a grocery store. Denying accessible food to poor people solely so you can save a single cent over the course of a year is a conservative ideal that you subscribe to. And all it does is hurt poor people. But you don’t care.

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                My state, like most states, already bans SNAP benefits being used to pay for McDonalds food. Many Democrat-let states also don’t allow it.

                Here are states that don’t allow SNAP to be used for McDonalds:

                Alabama Kay Ivey Republican

                Alaska Mike Dunleavy Republican

                Arkansas Sarah Huckabee Sanders Republican

                Colorado Jared Polis Democrat

                Connecticut Ned Lamont Democrat

                Delaware Matt Meyer Democrat

                Florida Ron DeSantis Republican

                Georgia Brian Kemp Republican

                Hawaii Josh Green Democrat

                Idaho Brad Little Republican

                Indiana Mike Braun / Eric Holcomb* Republican

                Iowa Kim Reynolds Republican

                Kansas Laura Kelly Democrat

                Kentucky Andy Beshear Democrat

                Louisiana Jeff Landry Republican

                Maine Janet Mills Democrat

                Minnesota Tim Walz Democrat

                Mississippi Tate Reeves Republican

                Missouri Mike Parson Republican

                Montana Greg Gianforte Republican

                Nebraska Jim Pillen Republican

                Nevada Joe Lombardo Republican

                New Hampshire Kelly Ayotte Republican

                New Jersey Phil Murphy Democrat

                New Mexico Michelle Lujan Grisham Democrat

                North Carolina Josh Stein Democrat

                North Dakota Kelly Armstrong Republican

                Ohio Mike DeWine Republican

                Oklahoma Kevin Stitt Republican

                Oregon Tina Kotek Democrat

                Pennsylvania Josh Shapiro Democrat

                South Carolina Henry McMaster Republican

                South Dakota Larry Rhoden Republican

                Tennessee Bill Lee Republican

                Texas Greg Abbott Republican

                Utah Spencer Cox Republican

                Vermont Phil Scott Republican

                Washington Bob Ferguson Democrat

                West Virginia Patrick Morrisey Republican

                Wisconsin Tony Evers Democrat

                Wyoming Mark Gordon Republican

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      People who are fucked the most are not deserving of autonomy?

      I get that it would be advisable for them to get better quality food. But poor people are humans and not your servants. if a food stamp recipient wants to blow their monthly benefits on one meal at the most expensive restaurant in the city then end up in the ER for malnutrition at the end of the month that is their life they are gambling with.

      Do people who work fulltime at Walmart do not have the right of agency?

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        Of course they are not my servants. But their free money given to them to eat, can have strings. And one of those strings should be no McDonalds. So no, a food stamp recipient should not be able to blow their montly benefits on one meal at the most expensive restaurant in the city.

        You know what would happen if we let them do that in your little scenario? They’d say they don’t have any money and shouldn’t be blamed for being “human.”

        If you came to me, and asked for some cash to buy a car, and I gave it to you because I thought that would help you get a step up and improve your life, then I’d be pretty pissed if you instead bought hookers and blow.

        Dude, get a grip. Yes, people should be able to do whatever they want with their money they earned. But not welfare. lol

        Also pick a fucking side. Most of Lemmy are vegan who hate the capitalist meat-daddy called McDonalds. But now you suddenly are over your hate for it, because a republican said it was a bad idea for welfare to buy it?!

        If it was a democrat, you’d say, “Yes! They are caring about the person’s health. Good job!”

        Get the fuck outta here with your nonsense… lmao

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          the boss pays you money, why can’t he put strings in there too?

          I’m not in favour of McDonald’s, but I’m more against this bullshit that poor don’t deserve agency and rights.

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            Because I actually work for, and earn for my boss. People don’t work and earn for welfare. It’s free to them.

            But I have a solution, since you are so passionate about this, and you make more than the average person in the US right now. I think ya should take 1/2 of your paycheck, and give out to people who are on SNAP. You can divide it up, or just give it to one person.

            Seriously! Do that! And just cut back your living. It’ll be tight, you can do it. Now do that for a year, and tell me how happy you’d be if you saw those people you were giving your money to, going to mcdonalds, buying the latest fashion, etc.

            Then come back and tell us how awesome it was or not awesome it was, seeing them waste that money you gave to them in order to help them out.

            Because, see, there is NOTHING and NO LAW that says you can’t give your money away. At all. You feel bad for SNAP people, I get that and admire it. So step up, take some deep cuts, and donate YOUR money to them. You are free to do that.

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              I’d much rather focus on regulating how corporations spend their much larger federal subsidies than quibbling over how families spend SNAP benefits. You’re penny-wise, pound-foolish. Fiscal irresponsibility is the hallmark of conservative thought.

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                Spending your welfare benefits on McDonalds instead of cheaper, healthier food optoins is fiscal irresponsibility.

                Listen to yourself. You’re arguing for poor people to spend their money at McDonalds instead of cheaper and healthier options. lol

                I also believe that we should stop giving corporations federal subsidies. So how much money out of your paycheck are you going to start donating so that people can buy MdDonalds instead of groceries. Ya gonna help them do that?

                Dude, I get you are mad because it’s a republican thing, but you are on the wrong side of the argument. Also, I’m not republican. lol

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                  You’re arguing for poor people to spend their money at McDonalds instead of cheaper and healthier options.

                  Poor reading comprehension is another hallmark of conservative thought. I did no such thing, I just said it’s an inefficient thing to focus on. You’re preoccupied on people taking too many pennies out of the take-a-penny tray while your nephew is stealing $20s from the till. It’s just a dumb thing to focus your attention on.

                  Obviously I think they should be buying groceries, and surprise surprise the vast majority of them are. Is not that I’m arguing that they should be buying McDonald’s, I’m saying it’s such an insignificant occurrence that taking a stand is entirely performative. It’s already the law in most states that SNAP can’t be used on prepared food. This issue is a nothing-burger, it’s not worth the time and effort to police.

                  I also believe that we should stop giving corporations federal subsidies

                  Where are your posts about that? How much of your time are you going to start spending protesting corporate subsidies?

                  Dude, I get you are mad because it’s a republican thing, but you are on the wrong side of the argument. Also, I’m not republican. lol

                  Projection, another conservative hallmark. Why do you assume I’m mad? It’s just stupid.

                  Again with the reading comprehension, I never said the word “republican”. I said conservative, since you posted this on a conservative instance.

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                    It’s already the law in most states that SNAP can’t be used on prepared food.

                    But not in this lawmakers state. Did you get mad at the other states that say SNAP can’t be used on prepared food?

                    Where are your posts about that?

                    I have plenty of posts against the duopoly and how they suck. And if there were a news article today about corporate welfare, I’d be posting it.

                    Projection, another conservative hallmark. I said conservative, since you posted this on a conservative instance.

                    I’m not conservative. Are we now defined by the news article we post and the instance we post them on? I’ve posted more news articles on liberal instances than conservative instances, so does that make me liberal? I’ve posted anti-republican stories, so does that make me anti-republican?

                    You’re replying to posts on a conservative instance, does that make you a conservative?

                    Also, what makes you think this is a conservative instance? There are nothing in the guidelines of this instance that make it a conservative instance, and there are more non-conservative communities on here than there are conservative communities.

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              Damn, your full of assumptions, I don’t make more than the average, and I already spent 20$ per week making 20kg of food for a mutual aid to feed homeless, they deserve a warm meal. and you showed your entitled ass, you do consider yourself superior to the poor because you “earned it”. which is bs because most people on smap work full time.

              queue in about you complaining that I’m making it up, or I’m being performative, or I’m doing it only to feel better…

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                I think you are making it up, being performative, and doing it to feel better. And yes, you do make more than average. So how much more are ya gonna donate to the people who get snap? The do deserve a warm meal. Which is cheaper if they make it than if they buy mcdonalds. They would actually have MORE warm meals if they but basics rather than a McDonalds meal.

                Bro, think about it. You are arguing for people to spend their welfare benefts on McDonalds. That doesn’t make any financial sense at all! lol

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                    No they’re serious and it’s despicable. Fuck that homeless vet, fuck those blind people, fuck that mother working two jobs because her POS husband abandoned her and the kids for hookers and blow or just because adulting is HARD.

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                    Well, like I said, you are totally free to give YOUR money away with no strings attached. But the government does attach strings, and I think it’s a godo thing!

                    I’m not a conservative by the way, so nice try.

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          $34/yr is what the average annual cost per taxpayer. Low income people pay tax, too.

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              The cards accepted by restaurant are specifically coded. Anyone else’s card would be rejected when run.

              Pretty damned rough, to answer your question. Maybe cold packaged sandwich, tinned tuna, beans, maybe the homeless make a fire and heat the whole can, but now that homeless is illegal, maybe not. Maybe the mom working two jobs throws a frozen meal in the microwave before her next shift. How nutritious is that? But late to work and fired, no roof, no power. No running water maybe. Loses the other job for lack of hygiene. Kids are now wards of the state. That’s surely cheaper than $34/month for McDonald’s or Lance crackers, right?

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                Though tough, nothing you wrote is a good argument for someone using the SNAP benefits for McDonalds. The great thing tho, is that you are totally free to donate most (or even all) of your paycheck to people so they can buy McDonalds. No one is stopping you from doing that.

                The vast majority of states do not allow it. Even the democrat-run ones.

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                  Yeah and that’s wrong. So are nooses and swastikas not being classified as hate symbols. That’s fine. Thanks for lmk who you are. I believed you the first time.

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                    Be sure to write a harshly-worded letter to the govs in these states that don’t allow people to buy McDonalds with SNAP. Both Democrats and Republicans seem to disagree with you:

                    Here are the ones that don’t allow it:

                    Alabama Kay Ivey Republican

                    Alaska Mike Dunleavy Republican

                    Arkansas Sarah Huckabee Sanders Republican

                    Colorado Jared Polis Democrat

                    Connecticut Ned Lamont Democrat

                    Delaware Matt Meyer Democrat

                    Florida Ron DeSantis Republican

                    Georgia Brian Kemp Republican

                    Hawaii Josh Green Democrat

                    Idaho Brad Little Republican

                    Indiana Mike Braun / Eric Holcomb* Republican

                    Iowa Kim Reynolds Republican

                    Kansas Laura Kelly Democrat

                    Kentucky Andy Beshear Democrat

                    Louisiana Jeff Landry Republican

                    Maine Janet Mills Democrat

                    Minnesota Tim Walz Democrat

                    Mississippi Tate Reeves Republican

                    Missouri Mike Parson Republican

                    Montana Greg Gianforte Republican

                    Nebraska Jim Pillen Republican

                    Nevada Joe Lombardo Republican

                    New Hampshire Kelly Ayotte Republican

                    New Jersey Phil Murphy Democrat

                    New Mexico Michelle Lujan Grisham Democrat

                    North Carolina Josh Stein Democrat

                    North Dakota Kelly Armstrong Republican

                    Ohio Mike DeWine Republican

                    Oklahoma Kevin Stitt Republican

                    Oregon Tina Kotek Democrat

                    Pennsylvania Josh Shapiro Democrat

                    South Carolina Henry McMaster Republican

                    South Dakota Larry Rhoden Republican

                    Tennessee Bill Lee Republican

                    Texas Greg Abbott Republican

                    Utah Spencer Cox Republican

                    Vermont Phil Scott Republican

                    Washington Bob Ferguson Democrat

                    West Virginia Patrick Morrisey Republican

                    Wisconsin Tony Evers Democrat

                    Wyoming Mark Gordon Republican

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      You can’t buy McDonald’s with Snap so this is a bullshit bill trying denying people snap altogether.

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        Not true. Some states, you CAN but mcdonalds with SNAP. This isn’t trying to deny people SNAP altogether. They are trying to change is so that people are not allowed to buy McDonalds with SNAP.

        Do you think people should be able to buy mcdonalds with SNAP benefits?

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          What fuck you talking about, I am on Snap no I can’t buy McDonald’s with it, and fucking No you shouldn’t be allowed to. McDonald’s is horrible for you and snap should be used for healthy food.

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            Ok, so we agree. I don’t know what you are angry about. Do you realize that this story is about THIS state, that DOES allow people to buy Mcdonald with snap? And the lawmaker is trying to change it.

            So why are you angry? The lawmaker is introducing a bill that agrees with your sentiments. Did you read the article? Or even the title, “Republican seeks to ban food stamps at McDonald’s”

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                Nah, I am agreeing with you that people should NOT be able to buy McDonalds with snap benefits. And the lawmaker is trying to keep people from doing that as well.

                The other people in this thread are trying to say it’s ok to buy Mcd with snap. But I don’t think it should be allowed. And most states don’t allow it.

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                    Me too. Not only is it unhealthy, but a lot of money could be saved by the families by buying basics. So it’s healthier for them, and helps them stretch meal out further. We def need to bring a variation of home ec back to schools so that boys and girls can learn to cook and budget. We’re beginning to have a whole generation of people who just don’t know how to save money and be healthy.