/c/fuckai has two dozen mods but ironically only time I’ve ever seen them take action on anyone was when they removed my post asking for recs for a community with more active moderation (lol)
I’d like to discuss generative AI from a highly skeptical perspective but with higher standards of quality and without all the mouth-frothy raging and bad memes of /c/fuckai.
Does anywhere else like that exist on the fediverse? I don’t care if it’s small/underutilized. And no I’m not interested in creating it myself.
Seeking communities to reinforce an existing bias or emotional response to something is like saying “Where can I find less healthy food?”
Yes, it feels good and you get little dopamine hits when you say things that make people give you little up-arrows, but you’re literally walling off entire sections of your mind from growth and development.
I say this as a fierce AI critic. I could speak for hours about how it’s being used as a tool from fascists to support hate, how it’s being exploited by commercial companies to inflate stock value, how it’s being shoved into every product and system not to make our software better but to validate that inflating bubble. I could say how delusional people are about it and how it’s harming the minds of our population.
But I don’t hold these opinions as values. It’s analysis of a situation, of an intersection of ideas and socio-economic trends.
It may change tomorrow. Someone might develop an AI tool that actually benefits society. Someone might prove some aspect of it is doing more good than harm with peer-reviewed data. If that happened, and I sneered at it reflexively and ignored data and said “I don’t care what the data says, I know what I feel!” what would that make me?
It’s a technology like the internet. It’s not going away. We may rightfully hate what it is now and how it’s being used or misused, but we’re not escaping it. It’s not fucking going away.
Your choice is to be someone adapting as the environment changes, or being the old grump who whinges and whines endlessly how they don’t understand anything, just watching as the world passes by.
Use your head to guide your heart, not the other way around.
Did you write this with GPT? Skepticism and critical thinking are not biases.
Is the AI in the room with you right now?
Your quest is flawed from the outset.
You should be looking for a community to honestly and openly discuss AI, not one with a prescribed viewpoint from the outset.
The fuckai and fuckcars and fuckwhateverelse communities can be satisfying but they are fundamentally biased, and tend to reinforce self righteous viewpoints that are emotionally satisfying in the short term, but reductively mischaracterize the situation and motives involved to the point that it leaves people with an angry, hollow, and unsatisfying perspective on the world.
There isn’t a way to talk with AI zelots in a positive way.
AI may not be a totally useless tool, but any implementation so far has been detrimental to human societies in every measurable way.
It’s not possible to support AI currently if you don’t agree with the effects it has on society.
So it’s better to try to increase resistance to it in any way possible, including not being willing to concede anything to zelots who don’t give a fuck how it breaks the world.
The only thing as bad as AI zealots are anti-AI zealots.
so far has been detrimental to human societies in every measurable way
I’d like to see a source on that, and even if you have sources, I’d like to see if this fact holds true as this brand-new technology that is inarguably being exploited and misused continues to mature over the next decade. It’s possible to have nuanced opinions on technology, it won’t make you a better or worse person, just better informed.
We have to stop being dogmatic. All of us.
There isn’t a way to talk with AI zelots in a positive way.
So in your mind there is no middle ground people who feel somewhere between “AI boosting zealot” and “fuck AI it’s terrible in literally every single way”?
If you honestly believe that then you’ve already spent too much time with simple minded communities that only deal in absolutes.
AI may not be a totally useless tool, but any implementation so far has been detrimental to human societies in every measurable way.
Sweeping broad statements like this are almost always incredibly easy to disprove. If you’re talking about AI technology in general, of which LLMs are just one facet, then you can look at the protein structure work of Deep Mind which has literally revolutionized biomedical engineering by predicting the protein structures for hundreds of thousands of proteins, whereas previously predicting the structure of a single one would take a full research PhD.
Even if you’re just talking LLMs there are a myriad of benefits from them being integrated into assistive technology, note taking for medical professionals, improved translation and transcription engines etc.
You can look for a community of ostriches who yell ‘nah nah nah’ while burying their heads in the sand, but you’re not making a difference, you’re just a bunch of birds ineffectively yelling at each other while blinding themselves to reality.
There’s no middle ground for these people.
It’s like trying to meet Nazis half way, it only helps them.
There is no “convincing them to submit to reason” they have an invalid ideology and are only interested in forcing it on others.
Because you’re an anti-AI zealot unwilling to hear the other side so every conversation devolves into uselessness. You don’t want to have a discussion, you just want people to agree with you.
Exactly what the OP you responded to is saying.
I prefer the term “anti genocide”
Don’t worry, you will pretend you were always against genocide after this is over and Netanyahu is executed.
Go eat a bag of dicks. Trying to shove that bullshit into what I said. You’re not even a good troll, just an asshole.
I do not consider critical thinking skills to be a “viewpoint”. I consider them a requirement for intelligent conversation.
You’re not thinking critically when you start from a conclusion. That’s the opposite of critical thinking. That’s literally just continuing to believe and not question something.
If you don’t want honest advice then ask an AI for an answer, they’re programmed to butter you up and reinforce your bubble.
You’re not thinking critically when you start from a conclusion.
Agreed
That’s the opposite of critical thinking.
Agreed
That’s literally just continuing to believe and not question something.
Agreed
!techtakes@awful.systems has a lot of criticism of AI, though it extends toward all the silliness of the tech industry. There is a weekly thread called stubsack for things that don’t warrant their own post.
Nice thanks!
You can search all Threadiverse communities on https://lemmyverse.net/communities.
EDIT: One place you might try would be !futurism@lemmy.ca. Not much going on there at the moment, but as per its description:
A place to discuss the ideas, developments, and technology that can and will shape the future of civilization.
That’s not specific to AI alone, much less pessimistic views, but how technologies like it will impact society would be in scope.
EDIT2: As to moderators being active, there’s not presently much there to moderate. One mod seems to have been inactive for two years, but @troyunrau@lemmy.ca looks to be alive, commented somewhere three days ago. And there aren’t any memes or rage-stuff presently on there, if that’s what you’re hoping to have moderated away.
Thanks for the suggestions!
/c/fuckai has two dozen mods
I blocked that place long ago, but randomly when I go to block someone for trolling, they mod /fuckai
Seemed pretty obvious they’re pro-ai larping as the charecture of what they think people who don’t like ai are like.
At least, I hope those aren’t real people acting authentically.
I just did a scroll through the posts returned for a search of “gary marcus” and didn’t see too much. His newsletter hits a lot of the main beats if you just want occasional updates when something happens. It doesn’t look too much like a channel exists though
good luck buddy! this is not a high quality discussion forum, it’s mainly a left wing circlejerk
it’s literally in the title buddy.
fuckai, not spankai, not okayai, not justai.
#fuck #AI
I really don’t know why you would expect a community to be moderate when the next step in escalation is “killai”.
what did you think the community was going to be for? literally fucking AI?
OP clearly knows that’s not the appropriate c/ for their needs. That’s why they’re asking for another. Why the hostility toward someone who knows what they want, and where not to find it?
/c/fuckai has two dozen mods but ironically only time I’ve ever seen them take action on anyone was when they removed my post asking for recs for a community with more active moderation (lol)
oh wow, look at the shade. attacking the community they “want” to be a part of by attacking the mods and the community
I’d like to discuss generative AI from a highly skeptical perspective …
okay.
…but with higher standards of quality and without all the mouth-frothy raging and bad memes of /c/fuckai.
more shade…
Does anywhere else like that exist on the fediverse? I don’t care if it’s small/underutilized. And no I’m not interested in creating it myself.
wow, an actual question buried under all that bullshit.
what did you think the community was going to be for? literally fucking AI?
Well, there’s !aigen@lemmynsfw.com…
