Wars and proxy wars since 1776.
EDIT: The post is not an endorsement of the USSR. You can now stop fighting for your “team” and start defending the anti-war values you claim to uphold.
Wars and proxy wars since 1776.
EDIT: The post is not an endorsement of the USSR. You can now stop fighting for your “team” and start defending the anti-war values you claim to uphold.
If you think the USSR wasn’t, then you’re not actually smarter for thinking that, you’ve just fallen for another country’s propaganda.
The USSR was not communism. Even if you protest and hold ground that it was communist, it does not represent communism and was objectively separate from anarchism. You argument is akin to saying that the USA is democracy.
Communism is to the USSR is what freedom is the United States. If you squint a lot they kinda almost had it.
Well said.
They’re not wrong in this specific case though.
Republican-style whataboutism. Nice. I never defended the USSR and this still doesn’t change U.S. history.
If you unironically look at this image and do not understand how it is perceived as in support of the USSR, then the school system is worse off than even I realized.
Yes, you did not explicitly say it. But the natural inference is that these guys on the right, the USSR and the anarchists, are correct. To shamelessly sit there with your hands folded over like “well I’m only suggesting they’re right about this one specific thing, no one else should ever make any deeper inferences or assumptions, and it’s their fault if they do,” is either incredibly dishonest, or incredibly stupid.
Both! It’s probably both.
You literally put a Soviet flag in your meme. You could’ve made your point without that, so yeah, don’t complain when people point out the obvious implication.
This ignores the anarchism flag. Clearly, the post is not an endorsement of any particular regime but of leftists more broadly. Leftists have been protesting and fighting immoral wars and imperialism for generations. It’s appropriate that they should be represented in the message.
But, let’s be honest, literally any leftist flag would be used to detract from the point of the post. People in this thread aren’t even talking about the decades-long wars, drone strikes, civilian casualties, “weapons of mass destruction” etc. How convenient!
Was the USSR actually “left” lmao
I feel like people don’t understand the origination of left and right, at all.
No. People can’t get past the propaganda and the fact that while the revolution started as a leftist movement, it was quickly captured by reactionaries who transformed the liberatory movement into a repressive police state. Police states cannot be leftist, full stop.
I mean, leftism typically centers around who controls the means of production and is largely defined in economic terms.
I think the Soviets would argue against being called a repressive police state, especially in Russia where they made huge strides in liberty compared to serfdom under the empire. They would argue you have to maintain a dictatorship of the proletariat to ensure the means of production remains in the hands of the people.
Where I differ in this belief is the expansive nature of the Soviet government, and the difference in treatment of Russians under the system compared to especially non Slavic groups within the USSR.
They have lots of arguments but they’re all bullshit. Leftism is about more than economics, that’s a particular Marxist obsession. Leftism is broader than that. But even if you want to focus on economics alone (which is ridiculously myopic since other political topics obviously have a direct impact on economics), workers in the USSR lost control of the means of production almost immediately. State control is not liberation, particularly when that state is repressive and undemocratic.
And being left of the Tsar doesn’t make you a leftist in the modern context. If that’s the case then Donald Trump is a leftist.
How so? I mean there’re a lot of ways to generalize the political spectrum, but an easy and common way is to separate left and right into socialized economies and privatized economies, and then from there those respective government can run from authoritarian to libertarian.
Yeah, but economic have an even greater direct impact on shaping politics.
In some ways I would agree with that, but I doubt the majority of workers in the USSR would have made the same claim. We have a the perspective of hindsight and didn’t have to live through the brutality of serfdom in the Russian empire.
Again, it depends on your definition of leftism, and what you are interpreting. Was the USSR liberating compared to the average lifestyles of most modern western government? No probably not. Was is liberating compared to being serfdom under the Romanov? Yeah, it was a pretty huge upgrade.
Right, but is the value of evaluating history outside of its historical context?
The USSR was a fascist regime, and anarchy is not leftist.
Fuck off.
Man, whatever mental inhibition that prevents the pale apes we call humans from recognizing that Music.aly remains the same company despite changing its name to TikTok will never cease to enrage me.
You’re tagged as a dishonest idiot.
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Is this some sort of analogy or did you comment on the wrong post?
You see this? This is your comment. Your comment and the attempts to explain it away betrays the mind of either someone with severe difficulties with object permanence (we’re talking you need to be diagnosed with Aphantasia) or you are simply dishonest.
Hence my comment and your new tag! I hope that helps.
I would throw an insult back at you but the type of comments you’re writing tells me how your life is going. I hope writing snarky shit on the internet is making you feel better.
Blocked by the way.
I’m not throwing an insult at you, I’m reading your comments and judging you appropriately.