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Cake day: June 14th, 2023

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  • A friend of mine once described this kind of behaviour as acting like “welfare moms.” While there’s a certain level of sexism there that I am sure she really didn’t mean in the moment, I get the point she was making: parents who sit at home scheming up the next excuse to call social services on that other parent that they pretend to like but also keep an air of superiority about. And that’s all it is. Convincing yourself that you’re better than everyone else not by lifting yourself up, but by tearing others down.

    It’s commen behaviour in narcissists, too. Contrary to popular belief, narcissism is often found in people with low self-esteem. They try to validate themselves by bringing everyone else down below them. It seems like obsession with another person outwardly, but it’s still self-obsession: “this person made me look bad, but they’re so much worse than me. I need to prove it (even to myself).”










  • It’s intellectually dishonest to say Charlie Kirk was doing anything equivalent.

    I just don’t think this is true. Another poster here pointed to the specific events, and they’re right. The only difference between Hitler or Goebbels and Charlie Kirk is authority, and despite the lack of hard power, some people out there still acted. Soft power is still power, and as a result, rhetoric did become action. I won’t call it dishonest, as this feels like very genuine discussion, but I think it’s a mistake to dismiss soft power like what Charlie Kirk was wielding.

    That said, in the wake of the downvotes you’re receiving, I want to say that I do appreciate the genuine response. You don’t deserve to be digitally booed for having a substantially less bloodthirsty opinion than the average Lemmy user. I really do get where you’re coming from. I just think we’ve unfortunately found a world where the appropriate valves and levers for dealing with people like Charlie Kirk have been fully disassembled, and we’re stuck with the inappropriate fixes.


  • While I agree with you in a general blanket sense, there has to be a limit here. You can’t let someone have a platform where they constantly advocate violence against millions of people to millions of people and then give him a pass because they didn’t commit any visible acts of violence himself.

    Do we say that Hitler is only responsible for the people he himself killed, or do we see him as the murderer of some 6 million Jewish people? Or how about Joeseph Goebbels? He had little to no legislative power, and as far as I’m aware we don’t have any direct records of him killing anyone. Does he get the pass because he was just the messenger?

    I understand your position, and in a general sense I agree with you, but there’s an important intangible threshold that some notable rhetorical violence has passed lately, and we need to treat that as the existential threat that it is. I’d love to deal with such threats via lawful imprisonment and rehabilitation, but the government is currently aiding and abetting these people, because they’re the same people. So, what’s the solution? Minorities live in fear, day to day, until they’re the next people on the list to wind up in prisons, camps and asylums?

    The buck has to stop somewhere, or we just accept the extinction of anyone outside of the right-wing sphere.




  • And, to be clear, I’m not saying that people shouldn’t ever be killed. I dislike that it has to happen. I dislike that Charlie Kirk being shot in the throat is a net positive for the world, and I feel strongly enough about that that I don’t want to sit here and be excited about it. But it really couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person, and the world is better for it.

    If we’re unwilling to fight, these right wing nutjobs will literally sacrifice human life to make line go up until there’s no one left. But I can recognize that it’s a good thing when someone like Charlie Kirk is no longer on the planet, and still feel bad about the fact that we need to take life to protect life.



  • The order of events as I’ve been seeing online:

    Videos circulating on social media showed an attender at the student event on Wednesday asking Charlie Kirk: “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?”

    In response, Kirk said: “Too many,” as the crowd clapped.

    In a follow-up question, the attender asked: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

    Kirk replied: “Counting or not counting gang violence?”

    His last act on earth was cracking a joke about how only queers and poors are involved in gun violence, at which point he was shot.