I’m glad I wasn’t Disney’d in childhood. Better to know reality, than be deluded, made fragile and crippled by reality. Face the horror. Stop lying to children. Children become adults.
Grow up on a farm and you really have no delusions about how the world works. Although I did think teachers lived at the school so I was unclear with how Mrs Thatcher got pregnant.
Yeah it was a different Mrs Thatcher, and to be clear that might not have been her actual name, I’m just coming up with something that sounds appropriately similar. I’ve subsequently seen pictures of her in the class yearbook. She was really really hot, when she was my teacher she was younger than I am now so I absolutely did not appreciate her attractiveness.
There were a lot of teachers that were married, and that in itself didn’t make sense to me. Not because I thought they lived at school, but because they had such awful attitudes that I couldn’t imagine somebody agreeing to spend their entire lives with them.
Then I grew up and realized that their husbands were probably awful, too. Either that, or the teachers took all their frustrations out on their students and had happier home lives. Either way, I still find it pretty sad. I know patience is a virtue, but you should know what you’re getting into when you choose to become a teacher. Shitty teachers create traumatized students. If you don’t think you can hack it, please, for the sake of all that is good, consider a different career.
Oh no she was wonderful, we got to hear all the hot gossip from her. None of the teachers liked Mrs Hall, she was the antichrist apparently. Even as a kid I could tell she hated children. God knows why she became a teacher.
Meanwhile Mrs Thatcher had a rabbit, a classroom pet. Oh it was wonderful, I’m not sure I necessarily learnt all that much from her, but I really liked her.
i dont think you know what teachers go through. elementary teachers get physically assaulted by their students and then get blamed by admin AND parents. teachers dont have shitty attitudes from their home life, they have it because they are exploited yet held to impossible standards.
one teacher i know, quit her job after some fifth grade students showed her a print of her house on google maps, said they know where she lives and were gonna go there and rape and kill her daughter. she ended up in inpatient psychiatric care from this job. the kids in question were not expelled and nothing was done.
Things have definitely escalated today. We didn’t have Google maps and other instant-stalking technology when I went to elementary school. Columbine and school shootings hadn’t been a thing yet either (though they would be, later on in my school years.) A lot of modern teacher stresses aren’t applicable to a critique of the elementary school teachers that I had.
Also, I teach kids, specifically special needs students. Violent outbursts aren’t uncommon, we even have blocking pads for those situations. One of my coworkers got a concussion this summer in spite of it. I know it isn’t easy, but I also knew what I was getting into.
It’s one thing to do the best with the situation you’re dealt, but it’s something else to lose your cool and take it out on your students. If I were ever to feel my spark for teaching start to fade, or a resentment of children set in, I’d move onto a different job. That wouldn’t be easy either, but it’d be a hell of a lot more ethical.
I mean you grew up believing that it’s healthier to eat meat rather than just more profitable to sell it, or that it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature and then force it into a state of utter lifelong dependency just so that you can exploit its biological processes, so I wouldn’t be so sure about that “no delusions” thing. You’re on your own supply.
that it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature and then force it into a state of utter lifelong dependency just so that you can exploit its biological processes
Interestingly, I don’t have issue with people who hunt for meat (provided they follow generally accepted responsible hunting practices), but I have a big fucking issue with animal agriculture.
The quoted section is the distinguishing factor. Creating sentient life for the explicit purpose of exploiting it really rubs me the wrong way.
Humans are part of nature too, and we have our animal instincts same as any other animal. Only thing that differs is our capacity to self-reflect and exercise agency over our place in the ecosystem. What matters is that we have respect for life and don’t take it for granted. I agree that factory farms, hunting for sport or luxury goods like furs, etc. is wrong, but I don’t see a problem with a small farm raising some animals as long as they’re treated with respect and given a comfortable life. All animals - including us - are dependent on others for survival.
The mother of the last pig you ate was perfectly capable of raising her own young. But a farmer took that ability from her by locking her in a cage that was so fucking small, she could not even turn around or roll over. That’s how a fucking farmer “raises” a fucking piglet. Enrichment? Meeting emotional needs? Basic medical attention for injuries? No. You are put in a cage so small you cannot move, until you die.
The lies you tell yourself are disgusting. Keep them to yourself.
No one who breeds, murders, and butchers animals (or who pays to have those things done) has respect for life. You are lying to yourself so that you don’t have to see yourself as a bad person. There is a better way not to see yourself as a bad person.
Farms do not “raise” animals. When you raise a child, you prepare it for life. A farm animal does not go on to enjoy life, they are killed in their absolute prime, because that is when the product is at its best. It’s absurd that these lies are convincing to you, but we are eager to believe certain lies, aren’t we?
You think vegans are more likely to be surprised that predators eat other animals? I don’t see the relationship there.
We have a really small wolf population here in Sweden, so small that we’ve had to fortify it on multiple occasions. Even so, you have these useless careless animal keepers that get really up in arms when a wolf (or a fox, even) goes and kills some of their animals, even though they often don’t even have proper fencing set up.
It’s ridiculous, because there are organisations that will help you fence your animals, there’s monetary aid to be had for it too. Not keeping your animals safe is a choice, and I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on the wild animals.
Even so, there will be animals lost to predators, and that’s just part of the business. If you don’t want to lose animals, don’t get them.
No. Like let’s say one is watching a nature documentary, and they get to the hunting part.
I get why a vegan wouldn’t like watching that, or is shocked. I find it more baffling though when non-vegans are.
Like. Carnivores do it because they have to. It might be brutal, but for them necessary. On the other hand if you eat meat… well. The food comes from somewhere and that might seem sanitized but it’s just as brutal or more so, because of the efficiency.
I think they were saying that it’s more baffling to them when non-vegans are shocked by predators predating, which scans with my own experience.
My ex’s mum used to regularly eat meat, but would become very upset (even bursting into tears occasionally) if you ever reminded her that the animals she was eating were…well, animals. I can’t fathom the amount of effort it must take to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance.
I wish I were a vegetarian, but my circumstances are such that it’s not feasible for me to fully make that change right now. I do feel uncomfortable with the ethical implications of eating meat, but I’d rather feel uncomfortable about it than to shove it out of my mind as some people prefer to.
I guess I just don’t see what vegans have to do with it if they’re essentially saying “it baffles me when meat eaters are surprised by predators predating.”
Because he revealed these actions to her? Your point is?
Assume there is a murderer who runs around killing people by skinning and burning them alive. You watch the TV news and feel sick. Is it TV news fault now? That’s a flawed logic.
I wouldn’t let my nephew see that news segment either. Just because it exists in the world doesn’t mean they have to be exposed to it before they’re ready.
I hate that passive aggression is seen as more acceptable than simple, more honest insults on most Lemmy instances. Just feeds the bullshit asymmetry principle.
saying so in front of the daughter is low key savage.
But it always boggles my mind when adults are shocked and horrified that predators …predate. Especially non-vegans.
Like Bro. Hommie needs to eat, and they can’t live off beans. (well, maybe coyotes can.)
I’m glad I wasn’t Disney’d in childhood. Better to know reality, than be deluded, made fragile and crippled by reality. Face the horror. Stop lying to children. Children become adults.
There’s a time and a place and a manner for that, and I rather suspect you think perpetuating trauma makes you cool.
It doesn’t. It makes you an asshole.
Also Disney was the one tossing lemmings off a cliff for a documentary. so… not the best way to express that thought.
o_O … Where did you pick up that suspicion from???
Strikingly the wrong end of the stick grabbed there. Or, even, a completely other stick.
Completely still corroborates what I was saying. It seems you did not get what I was saying, at all.
Grow up on a farm and you really have no delusions about how the world works. Although I did think teachers lived at the school so I was unclear with how Mrs Thatcher got pregnant.
Presumably, alcohol involved.
Although, that too likely still naive.
… The perversions in the crooked cabal… they’re into a lot of really really vile stuff.
[Edit: Oh… or are you talking about a different Mrs Thatcher than
?]
Oh we love you Mrs Thatcher, like your old man likes a brew;
such a lad your husband Denis when he’s had a drink or two.
Sure he’ll take a pint of Murphy’s and a glass of Irish Mist
and because he sleeps with you each night, no wonder he’s always pissed.
Yeah it was a different Mrs Thatcher, and to be clear that might not have been her actual name, I’m just coming up with something that sounds appropriately similar. I’ve subsequently seen pictures of her in the class yearbook. She was really really hot, when she was my teacher she was younger than I am now so I absolutely did not appreciate her attractiveness.
Yeah. Very certainly a different Mrs Thatcher than the UK’s Prime Minister through the 1980s.
There were a lot of teachers that were married, and that in itself didn’t make sense to me. Not because I thought they lived at school, but because they had such awful attitudes that I couldn’t imagine somebody agreeing to spend their entire lives with them.
Then I grew up and realized that their husbands were probably awful, too. Either that, or the teachers took all their frustrations out on their students and had happier home lives. Either way, I still find it pretty sad. I know patience is a virtue, but you should know what you’re getting into when you choose to become a teacher. Shitty teachers create traumatized students. If you don’t think you can hack it, please, for the sake of all that is good, consider a different career.
Oh no she was wonderful, we got to hear all the hot gossip from her. None of the teachers liked Mrs Hall, she was the antichrist apparently. Even as a kid I could tell she hated children. God knows why she became a teacher.
Meanwhile Mrs Thatcher had a rabbit, a classroom pet. Oh it was wonderful, I’m not sure I necessarily learnt all that much from her, but I really liked her.
i dont think you know what teachers go through. elementary teachers get physically assaulted by their students and then get blamed by admin AND parents. teachers dont have shitty attitudes from their home life, they have it because they are exploited yet held to impossible standards.
one teacher i know, quit her job after some fifth grade students showed her a print of her house on google maps, said they know where she lives and were gonna go there and rape and kill her daughter. she ended up in inpatient psychiatric care from this job. the kids in question were not expelled and nothing was done.
Things have definitely escalated today. We didn’t have Google maps and other instant-stalking technology when I went to elementary school. Columbine and school shootings hadn’t been a thing yet either (though they would be, later on in my school years.) A lot of modern teacher stresses aren’t applicable to a critique of the elementary school teachers that I had.
Also, I teach kids, specifically special needs students. Violent outbursts aren’t uncommon, we even have blocking pads for those situations. One of my coworkers got a concussion this summer in spite of it. I know it isn’t easy, but I also knew what I was getting into.
It’s one thing to do the best with the situation you’re dealt, but it’s something else to lose your cool and take it out on your students. If I were ever to feel my spark for teaching start to fade, or a resentment of children set in, I’d move onto a different job. That wouldn’t be easy either, but it’d be a hell of a lot more ethical.
I mean you grew up believing that it’s healthier to eat meat rather than just more profitable to sell it, or that it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature and then force it into a state of utter lifelong dependency just so that you can exploit its biological processes, so I wouldn’t be so sure about that “no delusions” thing. You’re on your own supply.
and I won’t pretend it’s not
Interestingly, I don’t have issue with people who hunt for meat (provided they follow generally accepted responsible hunting practices), but I have a big fucking issue with animal agriculture.
The quoted section is the distinguishing factor. Creating sentient life for the explicit purpose of exploiting it really rubs me the wrong way.
Humans are part of nature too, and we have our animal instincts same as any other animal. Only thing that differs is our capacity to self-reflect and exercise agency over our place in the ecosystem. What matters is that we have respect for life and don’t take it for granted. I agree that factory farms, hunting for sport or luxury goods like furs, etc. is wrong, but I don’t see a problem with a small farm raising some animals as long as they’re treated with respect and given a comfortable life. All animals - including us - are dependent on others for survival.
You kidding me? I only eat meat because it is cooked, and is what is available. I tried to secretly go vegan.
The mother of the last pig you ate was perfectly capable of raising her own young. But a farmer took that ability from her by locking her in a cage that was so fucking small, she could not even turn around or roll over. That’s how a fucking farmer “raises” a fucking piglet. Enrichment? Meeting emotional needs? Basic medical attention for injuries? No. You are put in a cage so small you cannot move, until you die.
The lies you tell yourself are disgusting. Keep them to yourself.
you don’t actually know any of that. your guessing.
Meaningless appeal to nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
No one who breeds, murders, and butchers animals (or who pays to have those things done) has respect for life. You are lying to yourself so that you don’t have to see yourself as a bad person. There is a better way not to see yourself as a bad person.
Farms do not “raise” animals. When you raise a child, you prepare it for life. A farm animal does not go on to enjoy life, they are killed in their absolute prime, because that is when the product is at its best. It’s absurd that these lies are convincing to you, but we are eager to believe certain lies, aren’t we?
it’s not being used fallaciously
Seriously I’ve read this about 10 times and I still have no idea what you’re going on about. It’s healthier to eat meat than sell it, what?
What absolute grammar hellhole is this? What animal are you thinking of?
It’s honestly not that hard, but you still managed to get it exactly backwards. Maybe with that hint you’ll finally figure it out.
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You think vegans are more likely to be surprised that predators eat other animals? I don’t see the relationship there.
We have a really small wolf population here in Sweden, so small that we’ve had to fortify it on multiple occasions. Even so, you have these useless careless animal keepers that get really up in arms when a wolf (or a fox, even) goes and kills some of their animals, even though they often don’t even have proper fencing set up.
It’s ridiculous, because there are organisations that will help you fence your animals, there’s monetary aid to be had for it too. Not keeping your animals safe is a choice, and I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on the wild animals.
Even so, there will be animals lost to predators, and that’s just part of the business. If you don’t want to lose animals, don’t get them.
No. Like let’s say one is watching a nature documentary, and they get to the hunting part.
I get why a vegan wouldn’t like watching that, or is shocked. I find it more baffling though when non-vegans are.
Like. Carnivores do it because they have to. It might be brutal, but for them necessary. On the other hand if you eat meat… well. The food comes from somewhere and that might seem sanitized but it’s just as brutal or more so, because of the efficiency.
Ah. I understand. Thank you for the explanation.
I think they were saying that it’s more baffling to them when non-vegans are shocked by predators predating, which scans with my own experience.
My ex’s mum used to regularly eat meat, but would become very upset (even bursting into tears occasionally) if you ever reminded her that the animals she was eating were…well, animals. I can’t fathom the amount of effort it must take to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance.
I wish I were a vegetarian, but my circumstances are such that it’s not feasible for me to fully make that change right now. I do feel uncomfortable with the ethical implications of eating meat, but I’d rather feel uncomfortable about it than to shove it out of my mind as some people prefer to.
I guess I just don’t see what vegans have to do with it if they’re essentially saying “it baffles me when meat eaters are surprised by predators predating.”
Why?
Don’t play stupid. You can disagree with their opinion without pretending you don’t comprehend why they’d have that opinion.
Because the consequences were instant for the guy feeding cats to coyotes, and saying so in front of his daughter wasn’t really necessary?
Making children cry isn’t big or clever?
It was her father who made her cry with his actions, not the stranger saying them out loud.
…but then why did she cry in response to the stranger’s comment? Logic doesn’t seem to be adding up.
Because he revealed these actions to her? Your point is?
Assume there is a murderer who runs around killing people by skinning and burning them alive. You watch the TV news and feel sick. Is it TV news fault now? That’s a flawed logic.
I wouldn’t let my nephew see that news segment either. Just because it exists in the world doesn’t mean they have to be exposed to it before they’re ready.
Don’t be an ass.
Don’t be an idiot 🙄
I hate that passive aggression is seen as more acceptable than simple, more honest insults on most Lemmy instances. Just feeds the bullshit asymmetry principle.