It sounds like a bunch of Democrats want to cave in exchange for no concessions whatsoever. Edit: Bloomberg has more details
Current likely Democratic votes for this:
- Shaheen - NH
- Hassan - NH
- King - ME
- Fetterman - PA
- Peters - MI
- Durbin - IL
- Warner - VA
- Kaine - VA
- Ossoff- GA
- Warnock - GA
If you want to change things, you need to call their DC office NOW, and leave an email if you can’t.
Edit 2: enough Democrats joined the Republicans to reopen the government with no real concessions.
The list:
- Durbin
- Hassan
- King
- Cortez Masto
- Kaine
- Shaheen
- Rosen
- Fetterman
- Schumer
- Gillibrand
There was a caucus meeting right before this, so the bulk of the Senate Democrats were likely OK with giving in, even if not willing to vote for it in public
I hate the Democrats so so much. They never fight. Every time it looks like they might fight, it turns out that they’re not fighting. Their relentless cowardice is why we have trump and the fascists dismantling everything and hurting people.
“Vote for the lesser evil”
But why vote for the lesser evil if the lesser evil will vote with the greater evil anyway?
Vote in the primaries. Get involved in local politics and find out who actually wants to help people, has good ideas, and has a proven track record in their community.
Elect the good leaders in your kid’s PTO to the school board. Get to know your local scout council (both boy scouts and girl scouts), elect them to your city council. Follow your school board, city and county council, see what they are doing, who is actually helping the community with good ideas, and then send them to the state house, demand they continue to fight for the people. The good ones in your state house should go to the Capitol for no more than 3 terms, then they can come back to the state house to be the local senior leaders.
The problem is, no one does that first part where they pay attention to the local stuff, demanding local change and building local leaders and helping to ensure our candidates aren’t evil.
As sad as it sounds, the race for President doesn’t seem to have the greatest impact on American lives.
The Democratic Primaries are where people should be focusing their efforts.
democrats will just move the goal posts in the primaries or run an additional 15 establishment candidates to split the vote and ensure nobody but the establishment ever wins. It’s what they did to bernie.
they say not to vote 3rd party because it will “split the vote” but it’s just projection. It’s what they would do.
It’s why Cuomo ran as an independent when he didn’t win the nomination, and most were unwilling to back the actual nominee until the day of the election.
They will ratfuck you then wonder why no one likes them.
Not just the primaries! My city is pretty purple. We tend to vote republican by a slim majority in larger races (think 51/49), but in the mayor and city council race that just happened, the republican mayor won at like 66/33. Vote every chance or you cede your power to the people who do.
The fix is to start local. Bob’s right: that school PTO experience will be on the candidate’s bio when they run for mayor, even if they are the karen-est karen, and it will sway a few people. That ® mayor has power over a huge amount of how the city is run and many of the things people are locally unhappy with are a direct result of them electing a rich asshole. If we elect Dems locally, we might be able to sway people to our side when the situation gets better under our leadership.
We individuals have the power but it’s got a bit of a lag-time to it. Become informed about how the DNC structure works (best done by joining your local precinct, even if you do nothing more than joining a few meetings). The precincts vote for who runs the county, the counties vote for who runs the state, the states vote for the nation and it’s all based on head-count of participants: a large precinct by population might only have a relative few people engaged and will not have as large an impact when voting in upstream elections. If we’re mad at DNC leadership or the options we have for congress/president, the fix is to ensure people at the precinct-level are the right ones.
This comment is a direct response to anyone saying “both sides”, “dem’s are still corporate shills”, or similar defeatist comments. The “spineless dems” currently have power at the top of the party, but we can fix that. It will take work. It will require time, and that time will be hard to justify with little immediate result. This is the battle we need to fight right now, though. It just needs to be constant and not only complaining online and voting every 2-4 years.
Slightly better PR and the color blue.
I don’t know about “better PR” these days, this is pathetic.
Well you get a different army of brainwashed masses defending them, using more complex words a Republican would never use because it’s above the 6th grade reading level.
Well at least the shit in that case is verbose.
I get it. But this is a handful of senators. Everyone else said no. House Democrats are vowing to say no, even Jeffries.
They don’t need House Democrats to pass any legislation. They did need Senate Democrats.
My point isn’t passing the legislation, it’s that most Democrats seem to be opposed to this. Most Senate Democrats flipped out when they learned about this secret deal, and Jeffries issued a preemptive statement. It could all be an act (particularly Jeffries), but I do suspect a lot of them really are just as pissed as we are.
Pissed does not help your joke of a nation. This was surrender, and now this administration will push harder.
[Trump destroys America]
This was all the democrats fault!!!
Man. Every day, I see less and less difference between the far left and MAGA.
Are “The Far Left” in the room with us now?
Read the room, mate.
I read the room, mate.
Probably need to get your lenses checked, because how you took that comment speaks a lot to how you see things and it sounds like you need a new prescription. This is a post about Democrats caving to the GOP once again, so the comment fits the context.
Are they wrong in stating that the cowardice and unwillingness of Democrats to put up a real fight for the average person paved the way for not one but two Trump presidencies? Trump is a symptom.
I took that comment exactly as it was stated:
Trump fucked America, and apparently… lol- it’s somehow the democrats fault. It’s laughable logic at best and definitely shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Alright, enjoy demonizing your allies because your views are so binary. You’re just as much of a hindrance to the leftist movement as the people you complain about.
I’m not sure how to simplify it further for you. It’s not the fault of the Democrats, but they’re partially responsible. It’s entirely fair to call them out for doing it again.
If someone comes to your door and says “let me in I’m going to rob you”, and you say “no” but don’t close the door, lock the door, or do anything to stop them (similar to the performative opposition we see from the Democrats) do you bare no responsibility for the outcome? Sure, you’re not the robber, but you were warned and didn’t do anything.
You seem to think criticism of the Democrats = someone saying they’re Fascists just like the Republicans. Sure, that idea is out there, but now you’re just painting everybody with that brush. You and MAGA seem to share more similarities than you think.
ROFL…
Ya gotta love the polarized ideology of the typical lemmy denizen. I’ll eat my shoes the day one of you show even a rudimentary understanding of the concept of nuance.
And if you aren’t rewriting the points of others to argue against- you’re not saying anything at all.
Narrator: Not literally, but expected to be taken as such.
So do you think the Democrats giving the GOP what they wanted was a good thing here?
They are just rooting for their “team” like a good two party system enjoyer.
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Mods are cowards for removing this. Civility is what got us into fascism.
Just out of curiosity, are you capable of discussing a topic that someone disagrees with you on without resorting to name-calling?
You weren’t being kind to start with, so golden rule.
If you don’t see the difference then you’re operating on vibes rather than substance.
They’re to the right of Biden, so anyone who wants the Democrats to fight the GOP it’s actually a secret double agent for the GOP.