AI “artists” and “creators” are the absolute fucking worst. Right up there with “influencers”. They neither either artists, nor creators. The AI is doing all the work while all that their skill-less asses had to do is type up a sentence in a command prompt. Sooooo creative!
A ten year old child can do that with no foreknowledge whatsoever.
The world would be much better off without their input.
A ten year old child can do that with no foreknowledge whatsoever.
Yes, that’s the idea.
Anyone can now transmit ideas through your eyeballs, and that’s awesome.
They could also put in effort, and use the tool to finish a sketch they drew, or combine a render and a photograph, or simply rearrange and overwrite generated parts until it looks like what they imagined. How much labor can go into a text that communicates an idea, and still not be art?
At what point does a definition exclude Koyaanisqatsi?
My point is that it’s not art. That it is being called and considered such, is NOT awesome. It cheapens the craft that many spend their lives to perfect. And it dehumanizes the process.
Make all the slop you want. Just don’t call it art, and don’t call yourself an artist.
Exactly. I’m not usually one to appeal to etymology for the “true meaning” of a word (the etymological fallacy is a thing), but in this case I think it’s relevant to bring up. Art is from the Latin ars which means skill, craft and handiwork, among other things. To me, art isn’t just a something that’s nice to look at or even something that causes an emotional reaction of some sort. A natural landscape can be beautiful, but it’s not art. To make something art, the human touch is exactly what’s needed. Time, passion, effort and skill go into art. People talk about how generative AI lets anyone make art… but everyone can already make art.
It’s certainly true that not everyone has the means to afford all the artistic tools they would like, but people have been making art for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years with what they had access to. And I don’t mean crude stick men, but sophisticated art which shows an understanding of animal anatomy and artistic techniques for producing effects of motion in a still image. If you actually want to make art and are willing to put in the effort, you can make great things with very little. Especially for people who pay for generative AI, there is really no excuse if you’re using it to make “art”. The image might look good, but it doesn’t have any value if it’s just another AI generated image among millions of others. Whatever restraints are “stopping” people from making their own art, I don’t see how entering a prompt and letting a machine construct an image comes anywhere close to fulfilling someone’s creative passion.
If I paint a landscape by hand, and generate one flower, does it stop being art?
The craft of Koyaanisqatsi was editing. People have recreated it using stock footage, as a complicated joke, and frankly the message still works. The whole original movie is an arrangement of uncoordinated b-roll. There are no actors. There is no dialog. Any individual part is almost meaningless, but the gestalt is an award-winning cultural touchstone.
I have used AI to ‘create’ art and music for entirely personal purposes. I shared some too with friends but that’s the extent of it. I would never call myself an artist or musician. People who do are delusional at best.
I’m not even against the idea¹ of using it for some shitty clip art on your corporate presentation or whatever, but it has decoupled ‘images’ from ‘art’ and ‘meaning’. They are not artists, they are not making art.
¹the practice, however, being ecologically devastating makes it less desirable.
I’m partial to this only because AI makes my head spin. In theory, it sounds fine to include generated images in your presentation, and I’d be ok with that if it weren’t for your caveat about the environment.
Idk if anyone else has noticed or felt the same, but whenever I look at a few AI images per minute, my headspace and eyesight feel uncomfortable. The missing intentionality, the lack of clarity in some details, the mishmash of real-world proportions with fantasy doesn’t sit right with my brain, and it makes me want to look away. It feels like mental exhaustion trying to make sense out of nonsense more often than not.
E: Here are some examples of what I’m talking about:
All of those images show items out of proportion and elements like piles of raw flour meant to enhance the aesthetics, but that totally miss the point of a professional display and ultimately betray the purpose of the article. Just look at those cookies on the wall with hangers. Who would even do that in real life without using inedible materials? It feels gross.
A corporate can afford artist so they should hire artists, the situation is different for private people who may not have money to hire an artist or the skill to do themselves for their need
Now figure out how to actually draw or paint it yourself using real pencils or pens on real paper, or paint on real canvas and report back how easy it is.
That’s not really comparable. I never claimed drawing/painting is easier, you’re hallucinating. I’m talking about the competition where generating something isn’t always easy.
AI “artists” and “creators” are the absolute fucking worst. Right up there with “influencers”. They neither either artists, nor creators. The AI is doing all the work while all that their skill-less asses had to do is type up a sentence in a command prompt. Sooooo creative!
A ten year old child can do that with no foreknowledge whatsoever.
The world would be much better off without their input.
Yes, that’s the idea.
Anyone can now transmit ideas through your eyeballs, and that’s awesome.
They could also put in effort, and use the tool to finish a sketch they drew, or combine a render and a photograph, or simply rearrange and overwrite generated parts until it looks like what they imagined. How much labor can go into a text that communicates an idea, and still not be art?
At what point does a definition exclude Koyaanisqatsi?
My point is that it’s not art. That it is being called and considered such, is NOT awesome. It cheapens the craft that many spend their lives to perfect. And it dehumanizes the process.
Make all the slop you want. Just don’t call it art, and don’t call yourself an artist.
Exactly. I’m not usually one to appeal to etymology for the “true meaning” of a word (the etymological fallacy is a thing), but in this case I think it’s relevant to bring up. Art is from the Latin ars which means skill, craft and handiwork, among other things. To me, art isn’t just a something that’s nice to look at or even something that causes an emotional reaction of some sort. A natural landscape can be beautiful, but it’s not art. To make something art, the human touch is exactly what’s needed. Time, passion, effort and skill go into art. People talk about how generative AI lets anyone make art… but everyone can already make art.
It’s certainly true that not everyone has the means to afford all the artistic tools they would like, but people have been making art for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years with what they had access to. And I don’t mean crude stick men, but sophisticated art which shows an understanding of animal anatomy and artistic techniques for producing effects of motion in a still image. If you actually want to make art and are willing to put in the effort, you can make great things with very little. Especially for people who pay for generative AI, there is really no excuse if you’re using it to make “art”. The image might look good, but it doesn’t have any value if it’s just another AI generated image among millions of others. Whatever restraints are “stopping” people from making their own art, I don’t see how entering a prompt and letting a machine construct an image comes anywhere close to fulfilling someone’s creative passion.
If I paint a landscape by hand, and generate one flower, does it stop being art?
The craft of Koyaanisqatsi was editing. People have recreated it using stock footage, as a complicated joke, and frankly the message still works. The whole original movie is an arrangement of uncoordinated b-roll. There are no actors. There is no dialog. Any individual part is almost meaningless, but the gestalt is an award-winning cultural touchstone.
I have used AI to ‘create’ art and music for entirely personal purposes. I shared some too with friends but that’s the extent of it. I would never call myself an artist or musician. People who do are delusional at best.
I’m not even against the idea¹ of using it for some shitty clip art on your corporate presentation or whatever, but it has decoupled ‘images’ from ‘art’ and ‘meaning’. They are not artists, they are not making art.
¹the practice, however, being ecologically devastating makes it less desirable.
I’m partial to this only because AI makes my head spin. In theory, it sounds fine to include generated images in your presentation, and I’d be ok with that if it weren’t for your caveat about the environment.
Idk if anyone else has noticed or felt the same, but whenever I look at a few AI images per minute, my headspace and eyesight feel uncomfortable. The missing intentionality, the lack of clarity in some details, the mishmash of real-world proportions with fantasy doesn’t sit right with my brain, and it makes me want to look away. It feels like mental exhaustion trying to make sense out of nonsense more often than not.
E: Here are some examples of what I’m talking about:
https://thismakesthat.com/bakery-display-ideas/
https://thismakesthat.com/cookie-display-ideas/
All of those images show items out of proportion and elements like piles of raw flour meant to enhance the aesthetics, but that totally miss the point of a professional display and ultimately betray the purpose of the article. Just look at those cookies on the wall with hangers. Who would even do that in real life without using inedible materials? It feels gross.
Its extremely uncanny and kinda stupid.
But as long as i dont focus or get interested in details, it doesnt hurt physically.
Uncanny is the word. It feels like it’s going to hurt physically.
It does when i try to focus on anything!
A corporate can afford artist so they should hire artists, the situation is different for private people who may not have money to hire an artist or the skill to do themselves for their need
Concept applies, and you cannot get that authorized for Friday’s weekly bullshit meeting.
My MIL paid some AI “creator” company to write a song for her husbands birthday.
Cost her $200 for a 90 second song…
Unbelievable. She could have done it herself. A child can do it.
Generate an advanced, good looking image using ComfyUI and report back how easy it was. Shit’s breaking my mind and I’m good with computers.
Just to give others an idea: https://learn.thinkdiffusion.com/a-list-of-the-best-comfyui-workflows/
But then again, I’m talking about generating stuff locally.
Now figure out how to actually draw or paint it yourself using real pencils or pens on real paper, or paint on real canvas and report back how easy it is.
Just to give you and idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel_ceiling
That’s not really comparable. I never claimed drawing/painting is easier, you’re hallucinating. I’m talking about the competition where generating something isn’t always easy.
Generating AI content requires zero skill or talent. You haven’t proven me wrong.
I literally proved you it requires skills by providing a page of example workflows. Are you still hallucinating?
No, you provided an example of how it’s difficult for YOU. Children can learn to create AI “art” within a week.
And a talented child artist would have what impact on your argument here?
A talented child artist wouldn’t use AI.