• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    3 days ago

    That doesn’t matter for this original statement:

    If the CIA helped that’s fine, people like that should not be in power.

    We also don’t know if the FBI killed MLK. Does that mean that we can’t condemn them if they did it?

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      They’re saying it’s okay if they helped but not saying to what extent it is okay to them, does murdering people count as helping etc. By asking you might get a feel what sort of actions they’re okay with.

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        3 days ago

        They’re saying it’s okay if they helped but not saying to what extent it is okay to them

        It is imperialism either way. No matter the degree.

        does murdering people count as helping etc.

        Depends on who you ask. Both imperialism and covert murder by the state are done in the interest of the enacting nation. And I refuse to confuse these interests with my own (or those of “the people”).

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          I just don’t think it counts as covert violence you mentioned earlier if CIA isn’t party to or in some degree involved in the violence

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            But we’re talking hypotheticals here. Of course it’s not violence if it didn’t occur.

            Let’s say I say the statement: “It’s ok if I kick puppies!” Is that stance ok to have, if I’ve never kicked a puppy?

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              But they weren’t explicitly condoning violence as you are doing in your example. So again it’s not the same

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                  They’re condoning helping to oust Yanukovych. If that counts as imperialism then yes they seem to be condoning at least that specific action, though we don’t know the extent of the help they’re condoning. But you were talking about covert violence, I don’t think they said anything about that

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                    3 days ago

                    Imperialism includes covert violence.

                    Do you think the Euromaidan was completely violence free? Ukrainian military has bombed eastern Ukraine for years after Euromaidan.