• RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz
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    But they weren’t explicitly condoning violence as you are doing in your example. So again it’s not the same

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        They’re condoning helping to oust Yanukovych. If that counts as imperialism then yes they seem to be condoning at least that specific action, though we don’t know the extent of the help they’re condoning. But you were talking about covert violence, I don’t think they said anything about that

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          Imperialism includes covert violence.

          Do you think the Euromaidan was completely violence free? Ukrainian military has bombed eastern Ukraine for years after Euromaidan.

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            We don’t know if CIA was involved or party to any of that violence though. That’s why condoning CIA help doesn’t mean they’re immediately condoning covert murders or kicking puppies (hah) or other things you compared it to.

            If you want to know what they are specifically condoning, you could try to achieve that by asking them. Now we’re just talking about what they could have meant.

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              It’s still imperialism. I’ve stated that they condone imperialism. Nothing more (kicking puppies), nothing less (political violence).

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                  I don’t think that there’s much of a difference between one (imperialism) and the other (political violence).

                  I’m condemning imperialism not because of the violence, but rather because I’m anti-state.

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                    I think for most people there’s a line between them helping the Yanukovych ousting succeed in non-violent ways and CIA using or being party to violence to achieve that. But everyone has their own line, you drew it at helping at all.