But to Uvalde residents and officials investigating the shooting, the footage showed something else. The officer depicted is Ruben Ruiz, whose wife, Eva Mireles, lay dying inside one of the classrooms with the gunman.
Mireles told Ruiz in a phone call that she had been shot. Ruiz, standing in the hallway with his pistol drawn, was unable to get to her. Other officers ultimately escorted Ruiz from the scene and took his gun. Mireles was alive when police transported her from the classroom, but she died before reaching the hospital.
It’ll take an hour, and it will fucking hurt. Man the fuck up and have a look before you mouth off. SPOILER: It doesn’t make excuses for the cops. But it ain’t what you think either.
EDIT: Seems some pussies aren’t able to handle actual evidence. Huh. How very conservative.
Right. See there’s the issue. Had he gone in, there is no way to know if it would have escalated the issue and more people would have died including himself or worse, more children.
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and yell at the players in the game. We can pretend all day that we know what we’d do or even what the best thing to do would be-
But at the end of the day- until you’re put in the situation yourself, it’s best to keep the armchair edits to ourselves.
Not listening to people who want to take my AR-15 which is, as my 9-yo son stated, “the deadliest gun in the whole world!” LOL, it fires a hauling ass .22 bullet.
I hate cops, but this thing was fucking rough in so many ways. Almost every comment I read online is full of shit. I’ve posted the PBS documentary several times already, but you may also be interested. It’s a hard watch, but if you want to understand, you gotta.
Yeah that’s a tough situation, man. On the one hand you’d risk anything to save your wife’s life. On the other hand you have to guarantee above all that your kids don’t lose BOTH their parents.
The job he took should demand he focus first on saving all possible victims. No, he should not have to guarantee that above all, he’s paid to prioritize saving victims.
It was more complicated than running in guns blazing. Which, yeah, they should have done, in retrospect. Yeah, they should have trained for such an event, in retrospect.
I’m not excusing the cops, and neither does the documentary, but the whole event was a Bulgarian clusterfuck of Biblical proportions.
CAVEAT: Gonna take some guts to make it the whole hour on that documentary, but you gotta do it if you want to form an opinion.
EDIT: Apparently the downvoters don’t have to the balls to face evidence. How so very conservative.
There’s no simple tl;dr: soundbite here. But if y’all want to stick to what you learn from headlines, you’re no better than the fascists who do the exact same thing. We are not on the same “side”.
It’s a common event in America and an easily predictable possibility. No, they should’ve been fully trained for it even from a perspective prior to the event. Doubly so in gun and maga ridden texas
You didn’t have time to watch the video before you posted this. Your opinion means nothing until you have done so, then we can have a reasoned discussion. That was rather the point of my whole fucking post.
This is why I don’t seek leftist allies IRL. You are no better than conservative, FaceBook Boomers. You believe everything fed to you in your chosen echo chamber(s). Your opinion is molded by sound bites.
Most of you people comment without reading past the headline. FFS, most online media these days is written at a 4th-grade level and most Americans can’t read past 6th.
…what? I don’t need to watch the video to understand the basic facts of reality in America. I’m not watching gore just so that I won’t change my mind as it will not present any information that would change the reality of America.
You have 4th grade statistical analysis skills if you think it wasn’t a predictable and important to learn to deal with probability.
That was rather the point of my whole fucking post.
And your post was wrong dipshit.
You believe everything fed to you in your chosen echo chamber(s). Your opinion is molded by sound bites.
That’s a hilarious take. The number of people with my circle of politics beliefs is so rare that I can barely even find one to have a circle with. My opinions are home grown thank you!
I don’t mean to be mean or pedantic, but the police are not paid to save victims, or even prevent crimes or enforce morals. They are paid to enforce the law, and nothing else.
You’re not wrong. But this situation is so twisted that it is almost like a philosophy thought experiment. Obviously he’s thinking about more than just his job protocols.
So whats the excuse of the other 30 cops there that day? Why do we spend half our municipal budgets on militarized police when they are just gonna sit aroind and do nothing during am emergency?
If it was a different cop’s wife what do you think he would have done? He would have prevented that cop from going to save her. They only care when it happens to them. He should not have let his buddies drag him away and maybe his wife and some of those kids would still be here
He should not have let his buddies drag him away and maybe his wife and some of those kids would still be here
No, that is the point.
I am not saying this particular cop is weak or not doing his job, I am saying the problem is systematic, we as people should not allow this situation to happen at first place.
Kinda off topic, but I hate seeing this picture.
So maybe let’s not post this any more?
Such a coward he wouldn’t even save his wife.
See the documentary and get back to me:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/inside-the-uvalde-response/
It’ll take an hour, and it will fucking hurt. Man the fuck up and have a look before you mouth off. SPOILER: It doesn’t make excuses for the cops. But it ain’t what you think either.
EDIT: Seems some pussies aren’t able to handle actual evidence. Huh. How very conservative.
What would you have done?
What would any one of us done if we had a gun and a vest and our family was in trouble? Obey orders, of course.
Educate yourself, get back to me on that:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/inside-the-uvalde-response/
Is there an article version of this?
Right. See there’s the issue. Had he gone in, there is no way to know if it would have escalated the issue and more people would have died including himself or worse, more children.
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and yell at the players in the game. We can pretend all day that we know what we’d do or even what the best thing to do would be-
But at the end of the day- until you’re put in the situation yourself, it’s best to keep the armchair edits to ourselves.
Agreed.
Not listening to people who want to take my AR-15 which is, as my 9-yo son stated, “the deadliest gun in the whole world!” LOL, it fires a hauling ass .22 bullet.
I hate cops, but this thing was fucking rough in so many ways. Almost every comment I read online is full of shit. I’ve posted the PBS documentary several times already, but you may also be interested. It’s a hard watch, but if you want to understand, you gotta.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/inside-the-uvalde-response/
Yeah that’s a tough situation, man. On the one hand you’d risk anything to save your wife’s life. On the other hand you have to guarantee above all that your kids don’t lose BOTH their parents.
The job he took should demand he focus first on saving all possible victims. No, he should not have to guarantee that above all, he’s paid to prioritize saving victims.
Watch this from PBS:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/inside-the-uvalde-response/
It was more complicated than running in guns blazing. Which, yeah, they should have done, in retrospect. Yeah, they should have trained for such an event, in retrospect.
I’m not excusing the cops, and neither does the documentary, but the whole event was a Bulgarian clusterfuck of Biblical proportions.
CAVEAT: Gonna take some guts to make it the whole hour on that documentary, but you gotta do it if you want to form an opinion.
EDIT: Apparently the downvoters don’t have to the balls to face evidence. How so very conservative.
There’s no simple tl;dr: soundbite here. But if y’all want to stick to what you learn from headlines, you’re no better than the fascists who do the exact same thing. We are not on the same “side”.
It’s a common event in America and an easily predictable possibility. No, they should’ve been fully trained for it even from a perspective prior to the event. Doubly so in gun and maga ridden texas
You didn’t have time to watch the video before you posted this. Your opinion means nothing until you have done so, then we can have a reasoned discussion. That was rather the point of my whole fucking post.
This is why I don’t seek leftist allies IRL. You are no better than conservative, FaceBook Boomers. You believe everything fed to you in your chosen echo chamber(s). Your opinion is molded by sound bites.
Most of you people comment without reading past the headline. FFS, most online media these days is written at a 4th-grade level and most Americans can’t read past 6th.
…what? I don’t need to watch the video to understand the basic facts of reality in America. I’m not watching gore just so that I won’t change my mind as it will not present any information that would change the reality of America.
You have 4th grade statistical analysis skills if you think it wasn’t a predictable and important to learn to deal with probability.
And your post was wrong dipshit.
That’s a hilarious take. The number of people with my circle of politics beliefs is so rare that I can barely even find one to have a circle with. My opinions are home grown thank you!
I don’t mean to be mean or pedantic, but the police are not paid to save victims, or even prevent crimes or enforce morals. They are paid to enforce the law, and nothing else.
Its why a major part as to why they suck so bad.
In this case, stopping the shooter was enforcing the law, because the shooter was doing something highly illegal
But they will put the police out of business!
It is against the law to shoot people.
And even then, enforcing the law is what they do in their spare time if they feel like it. Even calling them Law Enforcement is a stretch.
I mean if we’re being 💯, then they’re paid to enforce the law for wealthy capitalists. They don’t give a shit if your house gets robbed.
You’re not wrong. But this situation is so twisted that it is almost like a philosophy thought experiment. Obviously he’s thinking about more than just his job protocols.
I think it’s more about the stress and ability to perform in that situation. Saying leaving isn’t his decision.
It is the best possible example how useless the police are, and why they should be changed/removed.
But that cop was only useless because he was prevented from taking action by other cops. It’s not his fault
So whats the excuse of the other 30 cops there that day? Why do we spend half our municipal budgets on militarized police when they are just gonna sit aroind and do nothing during am emergency?
And if his wife wasn’t in there he wouldn’t have been pushing to go in.
He would have been one of the pigs stopping the federal agent who was trying to go in, they actively aided in the murder of those kids
That’s not the framing of this meme though, it’s clearly meant to make the officer in the picture look bad.
He looks bad without the picture too.
If it was a different cop’s wife what do you think he would have done? He would have prevented that cop from going to save her. They only care when it happens to them. He should not have let his buddies drag him away and maybe his wife and some of those kids would still be here
No, that is the point. I am not saying this particular cop is weak or not doing his job, I am saying the problem is systematic, we as people should not allow this situation to happen at first place.