Republican Speaker Mike Johnson predicted Monday the federal government shutdown may become the longest in history, saying he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands and reopen.
he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands
FIFH: I won’t negotiate until you stop trying to negotiate.
Well Reps control the House, Senate and Executive branches, I read this as he will not negotiate inside his own party
But like, isn’t that your fucking job? ‘Nobody wants to work anymore!!’
It’s this attitude that makes it a Republican shutdown.
Elections have consequences, Republicans did NOT get the 60 votes they need. They NEED to offer something to get 9 Democrats to vote with them.
By saying they aren’t willing to negotiate, THEY are shitting down the government.
This is the Trump/Johnson Shutdown of 2025.
Earlier this year, we had the Trump/RFK Measles Outbreak of 2025.
Call them what they are.
The measles outbreak earlier this year? It’s still happening and getting worse.
So glad they fired everyone at the CDC. /s
It’s not a negotiation. It’s a stark choice to follow darkness instead of light.
“When it breaks, it will all come together” -Atmosphere
I honestly don’t understand how
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Americans are this god damn stupid to realize Republicans are literally saying “fuck you, we won’t back down from you dying in the streets.”
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How bad the Democrats are that they’re failing to capitalize on that message.
because republicans and establishment-dems are still on the same side, that of Big Business (and AIPAC).
these establishment politicians still believe things can “return to normal” (read, unsustainable ratfucking) after trump croaks, which…won’t happen, but as long as they still think it’s possibility they’ll why get in the way of the money printer?
The survey results that I’m seeing show that Americans do understand what’s happening and that Republicans are shooting themselves in the face. But there’s not an election happening tomorrow so it takes time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whos-blame-shutdown-all-above-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2025-10-09/
63%/67% blame Trump/Republicans respectively.
63% also blamed Democrats for the shutdown.
63% also blamed Democrats… That’s just a failure of America and a indictment of Democratic leadership ineptitude in my opinion.
And they have short attention spans so it won’t even matter when it gets to an election
Ah yes the short attention spans conundrum. They’d almost need the administration in power to do/say absolutely crazy shit every single day…
That’s where the fish gallop comes in. There’s such a firehose of fucked up fuckery that no well-adjusted mind can keep track of it all!
Republicans are shooting themselves in the face
Literally? At least that’d be doing something worthwhile for the American people.
Where’s Dick Cheney when you actually need him?
Well, you see, Republicans are such a terrible party that they make Democrats look like they’re worth voting for.
The Democrats love giving the Republicans rope to hang themselves, but this time they might have given them so much the rope is touching the floor.
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Ok.
Don’t.
Your party is in control. Don’t negotiate and watch what happens to your head when enough Americans get real desperate.
Even poor people can build guillotines.
I’m curious how effective the mass propaganda on every website and in all the airports etc are going to be. People are stupid and they’re going to hear that narrative over and over and we all know the Democrats aren’t going to effectively counter it
Republicans didn’t negotiate before passing the bill either, which is why we are where we are.
Damn they will do whatever it takes to stop the release of the Epstein files.
The administration has 3 legal options:
- Compromise with dems on not making working class Americans already shitty and expensive healthcare worse
- Get rid of corruption and obstruction by removing the filibuster and force a vote
- Shut down the government
Republicans will choose #3 10/10 because they can’t actually make the government work via compromise it would undermine all their fascist rhetoric, and they won’t let go of their obstructionist tools they and dems use to fuck over the working class.
They already killed the filibuster. They have have suspended the filibuster three times already. Why would they have to remove it this time?
-They bypassed the filibuster to go around CA EV standards
-Then they Reinvented the budget process to set the BBB to $0 which somehow got them around the filibuster to pass the BBB.
-Last month they “Deployed the nuclear option” and changed Senate rules to confirm a block of 48 Trump nominees.
Nothing is stopping them, they have already set precedent you can ignore the filibuster whenever you want.
The filibuster is an antidemocratic crock of shit that should be ended and never revived.
Personally I’m banking on them refusing to negotiate long enough that Americans get desperate enough to drag them into the streets and finally treat them the way fascists should be treated.
I’m not ready for a thousand year shutdown, personally.
I can’t help but feel like this would already be over if Democrats were better at messaging. The Republicans are so obviously on the wrong side of this, but every time Schumer opens his mouth poll numbers come out instead of rising insurance premiums.
I do think republican donors owning all the major media leads people to only see the worst messagers in the party as they censor the better ones’
Media isn’t owned by people sympathetic to Democratic talking points.
Doesn’t matter what your message is if no one plays it.
The Democrats aren’t even sympathetic to Democratic talking points. Why would the media be?
Well, the democrats do use the democratic talking points whether the politicians actually believe in them or are more beholden to their rich donors. But the real problem is the media who spin everything against the democrats. As a result, people (like you) are subconsciously programmed to hate on the democrats regardless of what they say.
But the real problem is the media who spin everything against the democrats.
Citation needed on that one. The media is owned by the same people who own the politicians.
As a result, people (like you) are subconsciously programmed to hate on the democrats regardless of what they say.
No the problem is that Democrats are all talk and no action and people like yourself are subconsciously programmed to always invent or repeat excuses for why that is. You think that Democrats are the good guys just by virtue of Republicans being the bad guys. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a Marvel movie with clearly defined heroes and villains battling it out. In the real world, they can all be villians. Some just dress their villainy in flowery language.
I didn’t say they were the good guys. They are better. And that is the salient fact when it’s a two party system. They are beholden to the billionaires but they pull more to the left than the gop. It is because they’re financed by the billionaires that they can’t go too progressive or else they lose their funding (and ability to get elected). And they’re not pedo supporting, full on fascist and bat shit crazy which is also a good thing. But idiots who fall for the right wing propaganda see them as as bad or worse than the gop. Those who get confused and become too unmotivated / lazy to vote are just as bad. You can certainly argue the democrats aren’t progressive enough, and I totally agree with that; but they are monumentally better than the gop right now. Not voting for the dems is cutting off your nose to spite your face; it’s stupid. That we have a Republican government is purely because too many Americans are idiots and fall for the right wing media.
They are better. And that is the salient fact when it’s a two party system.
Which is just a roundabout way of saying they’re the good guys and regardless of how heinous they become they’ll still be the good guys to you because the Republicans will always be worse. They never need to actually accomplish anything because they’ve permanently earned your vote by simply not having an R next to their name. You’ll ensure they stay in power despite actively working against you because they aren’t the GOP. See where this logic falls apart?
That we have a Republican government is purely because too many Americans are idiots and fall for the right wing media.
That we have a Republican government is because the Democrats feel entitled to your vote and are unwilling to actually fight for anything but themselves. They have people like yourself who will blame literally everyone but them for their own poor performance. It turns out “vote for us because we’re not Republican” doesn’t resonate with voters as much these days. They’ve had numerous opportunities to actually earn votes by fighting for us, but they feel they don’t need to adapt or improve themselves because being “less evil” should be good enough for the American public, right? Being diet-Republican is good enough.
You’ll spend your energy fighting for people who you admit are bought and paid for, that you admit won’t defy their rich masters, that you admit “aren’t good,” but refuse to alter your behavior in any way while complaining about how bad things are. You’ll spend your energy arguing that we need to keep things bad or they might get worse (as they continue to get worse) while completely refusing to let others argue for a better way. This is why the country is the way it is. There’s very little difference between you and the Republican base doing the exact same thing for their chosen candidate. You’re all just engaging in diehard team sports despite both teams being absolute garbage and you want to keep it that way.
I’m not arguing for the sake of the democrat politicians, but for the sake of the country. It’s not a matter of supporting a team, but choosing which politician of the viable options is better. ‘Team’ support is when you vote against your own interest because of a historical affiliation. Dems are better so voting for them is logical. I understand you feel the democrats aren’t good enough and you think if they don’t get enough votes, they’ll change to be more progressive, but unfortunately that’s not likely to work. Furthermore it gets us trump and other rightwing assholes in power for another four years - and that’s really bad. It’s on you if you don’t vote for the better option.
It’s not because they’re incompetent. It’s because they don’t give a shit about you or any of us and they don’t see themselves as part of the group of people that have to experience the consequences.
Both. It’s both of those things.
After a while, incompetence and stupidity is no longer a sufficient explanation for this sort of behavior and the most parsimonious explanation is that they do not feel the same pressure that you or I do and are acting accordingly.
It’s not sufficient, no, but it’s still part of the explanation
Have you met the Baileys? The imaginary (conservative) voters that Schumer bases all his policy decisions on? Watch this clip from Last Week Tonight and get a whole new understanding of his incompetence.
Of course, the dems always need to reach across the aisle, but it doesn’t apply to the gop lol
all they are asking is for a clean bill so that they have more time. you know. like what the dems gave them in spring. /s I mean its true so not exactly /s but the /s is for anyone who does not really understand the background but /s in that yes im making fun of the republicans and their absolute rediculous demands. They expect that they can do nothing and that the other side should bend over backwards to fix the problems they make.
Well, if he won’t negotiate, why does he expect the democrats to rubberstamp it?
Ratchet effect has worked out great for them thus far
Because that is historically what they have done. Republicans know that can take advantage of Democrats “weakness” of being able to compromise. The illegal firing of furloughed workers is metaphorically the Republican terrorists executing hostages until their demands are met. They don’t care about the damage they are doing, but they know their opponents do. They have also historically used the tactic successfully.
They expect it has worked in the past. They will keep executing their hostages and they will keep blaming their own willful destruction on those who won’t just give them everything they want. What they are too stupid to realize is that many of their hostages are their own people, and the only thing that makes a rightist reconsider their sick ideology is when it comes back to bite them personally.
The dems are happy to concede after making a show of a false struggle since it lets them off the hook from delivering the campaign-only promises their donors don’t want them to follow through on
Because party Democrats are fucking cowards who fold the moment they face a moment of resistance. If I were the Republican party, I would have considered it to be a safe gambit.
It’s good that the Democrats are refusing to give in now, but they really could have started doing that up to a year ago.
Yeah, Chuck Schumer basically gave the Republicans everything they wanted earlier this year on the first CR. He’ll be willing to cave again once he gets fed up with all the calls from his corporate donors
He thinks they can force their hand by saying it’s the Democrats that are preventing the military from getting paid.
So, basically, if Mike Johnson was your dad and (after he spent all day tracking your internet habits) you were abducted, you’d be a goner and he would go around blaming the abductors for refusing to release you for free.
That aside is so distracting, but most excellent.
“I won’t negotiate with you until you give up on all of the things you want.”
This translates to “I won’t negotiate with you.” Because the “until” phrase would be the elimination of anything to be negotiated.
They’re just insolent children stamping their feet.
I’m glad the Democratic lawmakers are not pulling a Fetterman. If the Democratic lawmakers always vote Republican, why even vote for them in the first place?
It’s almost like that was part of the right’s strategy the whole fucking time.
That’s what leftists have been trying to explain to liberals for the past 8 years. All the Democrats in Ohio were running on platforms of securing the border and keeping trans kids out of schools while being dead silent on Republican corruption in the state, Republican attempts to undermine cannabis and abortion referendums that the overwhelming majority of us voted for 2 years ago. Why would anyone vote for them if the best they can offer is watered down Republican plans?
Because it’s better than the non watered down plans?
Like obviously primary for a good candidate but in a 2 party system where you either have to eat a 5lb bag of shit or a 1lb bag of shit I cannot understand the mindset that there is no point voting because both are the same
Except maybe it’s worse. We are in this situation now in large part because many Democrats for the last 12 years have believed the line that it’s always okay to vote for the second most evil candidate… At some point either you have a bottom line or you don’t have any values.
But it genuinely isn’t. You aren’t sending a message to the dems because they are way too stupid to realize that, they forced Hilary who was unpopular in 2026 Biden who was way too old in 2020 and Harris who had all of the negatives of being a vp with none of the positives
It’s like trying to explain to a dog that the mailman doesn’t need to be barked at you can try all day but they retain nothing
However when you mention the second most evil candidate, we wouldn’t be using the military against our own citizens, funding ICE more than most countries militaries, and attacking universities for allowing free speech
That’s a pretty substantial difference, this country was literally damaged for a generation because some people decided that the 500lb bag was the same as the 5lb bag. I say decided but it was very much the work of complex propaganda movements
I voted, because I’m aware that not voting is a fast track for eating a 5 lb bag of shit.
However, what would you say if in the next election, it was a choice between a 2 lb bag of shit and a 7 lb bag of shit? Then the next was the choice between a 5 lb bag of shit and a 10 lb bag of shit? When do you decide that you just don’t want to eat shit anymore?
If I’m always given a choice between two bags of shit and one is always objectively worse I will always vote for the smaller bag it could be a 99lb bag vs a 100lb bag and I will still choose that 99lb bag because at a certain point you will be 99lbs done and at that point I really don’t want to stop and think god damn it I still have another pound of shit to eat just because I didn’t want to vote
That’s at least how I feel now seeing the giant mountain of shit I still have to eat knowing I could have already been done with my pile if my candidate had won but at least now I know I voted for the smaller pile
Unfortunately, the “smaller bag of shit” party, whether or not they win the vote, keeps passing legislation to fund research to pack more shit into these bags, enabling the “bigger bag of shit” party to increase their ability to force shit on us. Then the “smaller bag of shit” party can up their own quantity of shit and still point to the other party and say “Well, you won’t have to eat as much shit if you vote for us.”
I’m hoping to find a way to not eat shit at all. When I vote for the “smaller bag of shit” party I question if this is really the way to do that. The same party fights against those in their party looking for ways to reduce the amount of shit. They are funded primarily by those that are producing all this shit.
This is why I empathize with those who are drowning in shit, thrashing about for a solution to their problems. I also empathize with those who look up and just see shit and don’t bother to make a choice. I even empathize with those who see the “bigger bag of shit” party claiming “No shit this time, we swear” and vote for them out of desperation to get away from all the shit. It doesn’t make me feel better knowing I voted for the “smaller bag of shit” party because it didn’t save any of these people from drowning in shit.
I do struggle to empathize with people who blame those drowning. I really struggle with those who voted for the “big bag of shit” party because of promises that “oh, yes, there will be bigger bags of shit but don’t worry you won’t be the ones that have to eat most of it. If you vote for us, we’ll make sure they drown in shit”.
The person who is drowning in the shit. I.e doesn’t even have the capacity to vote because they live in a fucked up place that requires them to wait 6 hours outside on Election Day and they have kids and work and can’t make it gets my sympathies
The person doomscrolling tiktok who has had propaganda shoveled in their mouth and now thinks both sides are equal doesn’t get my sympathy
