• Tenebris Nox@feddit.ukEnglish
    21·
    1 day ago

    I’m skeptical about the reality of the “democratic” nature of the organisation. According to reports, the meetings held by Your Party have been pretty much word-of-mouth invite-only rather than open to all supporters. The people running the various organising committees have been selected by the controlling factions of Your Party. The attendees of the founding conference will be chosen by “lottery” rather than elected by local groups and organisations. I understand the need to protect Your Party from infiltration but this isn’t the way.

  • scratchee@feddit.ukEnglish
    72·
    2 days ago

    I’m disturbed by the generic anti-war reference, it will depend how they clarify their position going forward. I’m ok with distancing from the ongoing Israel mess ofc, but I don’t see a low-military solution to Russia, at least any time soon. and I’m not sure I can vote for anyone advocating a reduction in military capability whilst Russia is building towards being a threat to Europe and therefore us.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want a peaceful solution. I just can’t see one that doesn’t involve having a big stick to disincentivise Russia. I’d rather throw more money on a military that does nothing than hope that nonmilitary encouragements will work (ofc happy to have those too, but they didn’t work on the Nazis, and we don’t want another Neville Chamberlain-style appeasement scenario).

    Of course, detailed opinions on complex issues weren’t going to make it into a statement this short, so I’ll wait and see, but I’ll be disappointed if I find I can’t support them just because they’re not taking Russian aggression seriously.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      2·
      22 hours ago

      Corbyn’s stance on Russia seemed ok when he was up against Theresa May, but in the harsh light of 2025, I fear he’s a massive tankie at heart and that’s not where most of us are.

    • Tenebris Nox@feddit.ukEnglish
      11·
      1 day ago

      The sums being invested in the drive to war are grotesque. There’s a difference between making sure the UK is properly defended and the £150 billion+ a year the UK is moving to commit to spending on weapons of mass destruction with little enlargement of the actual armed forces. The drumbeat of war causes only hysteria and it’s very hard to discern the difference between fact and fiction.

    • Javi@feddit.ukOPEnglish
      31·
      2 days ago

      I agree. The situation in mainland Europe is a boiling pot, and every nation should be prepared for the worst. I think it’s a damned if we do, damned if we don’t scenario with Putin; we need to be prepared for the worst, as he is shown himself to be tyrannical and unpredictable.

      I will say that I don’t think a stick or lack thereof will change Putin’s approach. He will do what he plans to do, regardless of the perceived threat from NATO countries. He’s already shown that he can defeat his enemies without a war (IE trumps appeasement surrounding Russia), so we need to be vigilant in more areas than just military. It’s a huge issue spanning multiple avenues.

      All of that being said, I think (or hope) a lot of this will be hashed out via membership votes. A general anti-war stance doesn’t necessarily mean demilitarisation, as the current climate is undoubtedly a concern for many, and I would imagine the number of people who would be pro-demilitarisation right now are few and far between.

  • oeuf@slrpnk.net
    30·
    3 days ago

    This is the only thing in politics right now for me. Looking forward to getting involved.

    • Javi@feddit.ukOPEnglish
      15·
      3 days ago

      I agree completely; Kiers labour is becoming more and more authoritarian in nature, further expanding on Tory work like the OSA, backdoors in e2e encrypted chats etc… and farages fascists are ripe for cannibalising the disenfranchised Tory and labour voters foolish enough to believe their drivel, so this is a much needed breath of fresh air in British politics.

      I’d recommend anyone who reads this and is interested to register for the mailing list if they haven’t done so already.

      • oeuf@slrpnk.net
        8·
        2 days ago

        I gave them the benefit of the doubt in the run-up to the GE and for quite a while afterwards, thinking that they were just playing it cool and trying not to spook people before getting on with a genuine Labour agenda.

        What did it for me though was seeing Scott Morrison being asked what the best way was for people to effect change in their country. He basically said it was to form a faction within a major political party and take it over. A lot of people had already been saying it but that was when I realised that’s what happened to Labour.

        From what I gather now, Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was actively sabotaged by a set of staff within the party who then took it over and have since been using their leadership to purge typical Labour members who oppose them.

        When people started saying this stuff a few years ago I suspected it was a conspiracy theory and that the rightwing media were mostly to blame for stitching up Corbyn but everything we’ve seen them do confirms it. It’s completely outrageous.

        I was a Labour member but I’m done with it as a party - it’s too open to abuse and as such is a magnet for slimeballs.

        Apart from reflecting my views, this new party is going to have authority in the membership, which makes it fundamentally more trustworthy and transparent. I’m genuinely excited and hopeful about it for this reason and others too.

        • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
          4·
          2 days ago

          Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was actively sabotaged by a set of staff within the part

          And a contingent of centrist MPs, some of whom now hold the high offices of state.

        • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
          6·
          2 days ago

          I’m starting to realise how important sharing your understanding has become.

          Seems many left of centre fail to recognise, just how important the democratic membership authority is. And are critical of how slow forming the party is because of it.

        • Hector@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 days ago

          The labor files leaked to al jazeera detail all of it, the bad faith often patently false allegations the swells used to purge the left from the party, because corbyn never cleaned house and let them control the party discipline mechanism.

          The starmer types hated corbyn more than the tories. Nothing but contempt for the left they need to win, banking on this dynamic continuing indefinitely.

      • NickwithaC@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        3 days ago

        backdoors in e2e encrypted chats

        *impossible encryption-breaking black box of magic

        Please call it what it is.

      • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        3 days ago

        I signed up to be a facilitator with zero experience, tho I doubt they’ll want an American (UK citizen) in that role. I figured they’ll at least appreciate the enthusiasm.

        • oeuf@slrpnk.net
          3·
          2 days ago

          That’s really good of you to volunteer. I hope I can too.

          I’m going to be a fellow member and I don’t care at all that you came from America.

          There’s work to be done - let’s all get stuck in!

          • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
            2·
            2 days ago

            I sorta want to. My health means I can end up in hospital and unavailable for weeks at a time.

            So I’m waiting until locals take up the lead roles etc. Then will offer my spare time in less essential/leadership ways. I think even without health issues. Many may lack the confidence or free time to lead local groups. But be waiting to help out like myself.

  • ratel@mander.xyz
    261·
    2 days ago

    Online vote on party name

    Aww yeah I’d love it if we ended up with a joke name and then won and the UK was run by PartyMcPartyFace Party.

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    3·
    2 days ago

    Jeremy Corbyn is ready to get a hat trick and lose an election for the third time!

    • Javi@feddit.ukOPEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      I’d imagine mainstream papers will look to smear Corbyn again should the party pose a big enough threat. Threaten the establishment with proportional taxation and every outlet in the country will be told to smear you.

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Only if members select him. He is expected to run but has not actually confirmed it. Zarah Sultana has clearly indicated in an interview. That she intends to run. And would like the members to select her and JC as joint leaders. But it is entirely up to the membership.

      Personally my choice ATM would be ZS as leader and JC as deputy.

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
      9·
      2 days ago

      I’d guess it’s probable. Both greens leader and YourParty founders are up for it. But say it’s down to membership. Most YP supporters in the forums (IE those expected to join) seem very keen.

      I’d guess it’s more a matter of the form of alliance rather than if.

  • kbal@fedia.io
    151·
    3 days ago

    First on the order of business: Come up with an actual name for the party.

    • Javi@feddit.ukOPEnglish
      17·
      3 days ago

      The first order of business is opening up membership. The official name will be voted on by members as the second point of business. That’s laid out in the screenshot ( about 2/3rds down in bold if you’re interested. )

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
      13·
      3 days ago

      Well 2nd or 3rd. Need to open up the membership first. So folks can actually vote on it.

      A membership portal and official founding of the party using YourParty will happen over the next 2 weeks. With draft founding docs.

      Form there the foundation docs get discussed and voted on. Along with the name.

      But all is only confirmed in November when the official membership vote happens.

      Changing the party name is not that complex. process and documentation wise. It only becomes an issue once the party is well known by such.

      But we have almost 4 years before any general election. So founding a real democratic party that dose not allow the leadership to override democratic rule is more important. Given the recent history of Labour.

      • kbal@fedia.io
        7·
        3 days ago

        Having gone so far as to read the wikipedia article, I guess it’s the most hopeful sign for democracy I’ve heard about in years.

        • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
          7·
          3 days ago

          Agreed. It’s making me uncomfortably hopeful/positive. After the last few years of negative politics.

          If the membership numbers are even 1/3 of those who have signed up to support. It will be a very sizeable influence.

          Have to also give huge credit to Zarah Sultana. As someone much older. I am impressed with how well she seems to inspire the younger left. Im likeing her attitude alot.