The move would make Florida the first U.S. state to withdraw from mandates credited with boosting vaccination rates and preventing infectious disease outbreaks.
  • kowcop@aussie.zoneEnglish
    78·
    10 days ago

    Seems logical for a country that has a healthcare system that profits off people being sick… get infectious disease, end up in hospital, go broke

    • Zephorah@discuss.onlineEnglish
      32·
      10 days ago

      It doesn’t work if doctors, nurses, and the rest of healthcare get sick too. If their kids are sick, they’re typically home with them. Hospitals don’t make money without staff.

      These guys don’t appear to be thinking even one step away from the immediate impact.

      • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        10 days ago

        One can hope that at least some doctors and nurses in Florida still remember the advantages of being alive and healthy due to vaccinations.

        • Zephorah@discuss.onlineEnglish
          10·
          10 days ago

          Sure, healthcare generally gets vaccinated. The cuckoo birds that made headlines are not the majority.

          The measles vaccine is ~97% preventative. We count on herd immunity to cover the remainder.

          In addition, this anti-vax wave includes removing subsidizing money from the public. Availability of vaccines will decline. Requirements promote availability and free programs.

          I haven’t paid for a single COVID shot or booster, have you?

          • 13igTyme@piefed.socialEnglish
            4·
            9 days ago

            As someone that used to work in a Florida hospital, a disturbing number of people don’t believe in vaccine use.

        • fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish
          81·
          10 days ago

          Any doctor and nurse who has the reasonable capability of leaving the state is going to do so. Unless they’re batshit crazy, in which case you don’t want to be treated by them anyway.

        • hitmyspot@aussie.zoneEnglish
          6·
          10 days ago

          Yes, but herd immunity only works above a certain level. Vaccinations are not 100% effective and not every doctor or nurse can have all vaccines due to their own health conditions.

          I would expect doctors and their kids to be up to date on their vaccines though, probably following the best current advice rather than the requirements.

          I know here in Australia, there are vaccines that are not in the required schedule that many doctors recommend for parents.

          • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            10 days ago

            Yes, but 95-97% effective is sufficient to usually keep one out of trouble. Extincting diseases is best, of course, but prsonally having a high level of immunity is still better that croaking because of a preventable infection.

            • hitmyspot@aussie.zoneEnglish
              3·
              10 days ago

              95-97% effective is just that. It doesn’t work for 3-5% of those inmunised. Whether it reduces disease severity, hospitalisation and mortality are different questions with different stats.

  • CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.mlEnglish
    37·
    9 days ago

    I did an essay on vaccines in Jr. High, 20-25 years ago. I was writing a persuasion essay and I chose vaccines. I always try to provide views from both sides… even back then. As a child, in fucking Jr. High, I found Andrew Wakefield’s study that linked autism and vaccines, found all the evidence against it, found out he lost his medical license for it, and realized “wow, there really is no argument against vaccines. These people are fucking idiots!” Again at the age of 12 ish… fucking anti-vaxxer dipshits…

    • OccamsRazer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 days ago

      Vaccines are good as long as they are proven to work, and as long as they are effective enough to be worth the side effects and risks. Big pharma needs to be held accountable and kept honest, because they would definitely try to sell you vaccines that are not necessary or not effective if they could get away with it. It shouldn’t be an all or nothing question.

      • CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        Go do the research yourself. Vaccines are proven to work. Over, and over, and over again. The side effects are so incredibly rare they might as well be non-existent. Go do some actual fucking research, there is no argument against vaccines. The covid vaccine was in development for 20+ years due to SARS. That’s how it was able to be pushed out so quickly. Go look at all the infectious diseases that are on the rise because dipshit mother fuckers aren’t getting vaccinated or their kids. Its fucking stupid…

        • OccamsRazer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          I worked in pharma for ten years. Vaccines work, but some work better than others. There have been many vaccines that were pulled after emergency use approval or because the side effects were not worth the disease that they were trying to prevent. Or like the flu vaccine used to make you mildly sick for a few days, but then you still got the flu because they guessed the wrong strain. You can’t just scream that vaccines work to people who have first hand experience with them not working. Otherwise you risk losing their trust in ALL vaccines. This is a big part of why we have a resurgence in the anti vaccine movement. Anyone who has actually researched knows that the topic of vaccines is more complicated than “vaccines good”.

          • CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            6 days ago

            But that is exactly why you can trust them… because they get pulled when its not worth it. You’re correct in that there’s much more nuance than just vaccine=good, but with the totality of the evidence and procedures it can be pretty simply stated with vaccine=good

            • OccamsRazer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              If they have full fda approval, you can generally trust that they are more beneficial than otherwise. With vaccines that have been available and widely used for decades and even generations, there is basically no risk at all. But I understand hesitation with new vaccines, even if I am not worried about them myself. Most people can’t grasp the level of effort and proof it requires to get approval.

  • TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    10 days ago

    Enjoy your polio, antivaxers.

    And don’t forget to buy stock in iron lung manufacturers. Gonna be a BIG spike in demand.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    10 days ago

    They will have lots of fun once they move out of there. If they get old enough in the first place.

    The US is already at the tail end of modern countries when it comes to dying children due to the horrible health care. They are doing everything they can to get even worse.