NEW YORK—The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.
  • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one
    31548·
    18 days ago

    Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.

    Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.

    Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers

    • JonsJava@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      1318·
      17 days ago

      Comment was reported for

      Misinformation and genocide denial

      I’m leaving this up.

    • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
      681·
      18 days ago

      A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        717·
        17 days ago

        A vote for Trump is a vote to end America

        Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.

          • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
            122·
            17 days ago

            Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
              10·
              17 days ago

              And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
          141·
          17 days ago

          I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          122·
          17 days ago

          A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.

    • PorkRoll@lemmy.worldEnglish
      415·
      18 days ago

      Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.

    • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
      4815·
      17 days ago

      This this this this this this this this.

      I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      243·
      17 days ago

      You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.

      Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.

      Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.

      DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        185·
        17 days ago

        Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            196·
            17 days ago

            Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                162·
                17 days ago

                Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.

                Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.

    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1720·
      17 days ago

      I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

      Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.

      We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1813·
        15 days ago

        I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

        Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

        There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.

        It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.

        Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:

        God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.

        Genociders deserve death.

        Here’s their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos

        Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.

        This is because I’m angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            11·
            15 days ago

            My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.

            You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.

            Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1210·
          17 days ago

          Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?

          Gay Nazis are still Nazis.

          You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.

          Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              64·
              17 days ago

              You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.

              All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.

              Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                66·
                17 days ago

                Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

                Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          33·
          17 days ago

          You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            15 days ago

            Did I fucking say it wasn’t? Jesus Christ, you people need to focus your ire on those who actually deserve it.

            I SAID THAT IT’S ALL FASCISM. Learn to fucking read.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        96·
        17 days ago

        Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former

        Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          81·
          17 days ago

          Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.

          Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.

          And not just today. For the past 75+ years

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
          106·
          17 days ago

          Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            94·
            17 days ago

            No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
              4·
              17 days ago

              And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                11·
                17 days ago

                I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              42·
              17 days ago

              Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?

              Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.

              If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation

              Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.

              But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.

              Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                72·
                17 days ago

                I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.

                Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            67·
            17 days ago

            Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.

            Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              17 days ago

              Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

              neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                31·
                17 days ago

                Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  5·
                  17 days ago

                  Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.

                  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                    11·
                    17 days ago

                    The thing is, a brown female candidate needs a ridiculously successful campaign to win for now. It’s not impossible at all. AOC may very well be the one who gets people out to vote. But she’ll also mobilize conservative voters to go vote for their guy, because she’s been such a boogeyman in their media, she’s literally seen as the devil by now. Trump antics aside, I don’t think she’d win 2028, but she may win 2032 or 2036 provided the pendulum* swings back by then. Of course if enough people are pissed off by Trump, things change and she may actually have a shot in 2028 - by being part of the force pulling the pendulum back.

                    Of course, the reason democrats don’t want her to win has nothing to do with her being female or even her being controversial with conservatives, she’s just too far left for them.

                    * It’s been said that politics swings on a pendulum and it’s so true it’s not even funny. Especially in the US because of how polarized it is. After Bush, people wanted something different. Obama was a neoliberal so not even that left-wing all things considered, but he was far more progressive than anyone else in recent years**. More importantly, he was black, and this was an important milestone as far as racial equality is concerned. But here’s the problem: People have inertia. You go too far in one direction, the pendulum pulls back. And it pulled back hard. In the last few years leading up to the 2016, racism started getting more and more rampant online. Same for all other sorts of bigotry. “SJW” became an insult. People were openly saying that black people are only getting shot by police because they’re all criminals. Obama was to blame for everything wrong with the country. That’s why Trump 2016 happened. Not because the Clinton campaign was weak (which it was - she was legitimately a better choice for president than Trump, but she was also boring and uninspiring, plus her husband is just as likely a kiddy diddler as Trump, except somehow with Trump it doesn’t matter). It was because of the sheer hatred boiling in a whole lot of Americans. Hatred against black people, against women, against sexual minorities. For things to get better again, the pendulum needs to swing back in the other direction. This means enough people being disillusioned enough with neoliberalism and conservatism that a sufficiently progressive candidate can destroy the establishment in the democratic primary and for democrats as a whole to embrace a new strategy, around new people.

                    ** Yeah, let’s be honest, Obama was a war criminal just as much as Bush. He had other redeeming qualities, but this was not one. While Bush’s admin created the war on terror out of thin air (yay WMDs), the Obama admin accelerated the pace of drone strikes. This is something Trump was able to use as ammo against the dems. Dems are war criminals, vote for me, I’ll bring the troops home and stop bombing the middle east. What did he do? Well he didn’t stop bombing the middle east for sure, he kept on accelerating the pace of drone strikes just like Obama. Who cared? Nobody who voted for him. They only cared about it when Obama did it, and that Clinton was going to continue doing it. Same tactic was used last election cycle with Israel. Trump had NO intention of stopping supplying Israel with weapons. But a lot of people ate it up and didn’t vote for Harris. Again, was Harris a perfect candidate? No. Was she a great candidate? Not really. But would she have been a million times better domestically than Trump? Absolutely. But the narrative was shifted to focus only in the one area where she was nearly as bad as Trump. Not worse, just almost as bad. Not Gaza beach resort bad, but “Israel has a right to exist so we’ll keep giving them weapons to genocide the Palestinians” bad. This got a lot of potential voters to stay home. And all the people who said don’t vote for Harris, she’s a genocide enabler? Well pretty much none of them care about Trump being a genocide enabler, and they literally don’t care that Trump’s starting a SECOND genocide. So this is where we are right now: Conservatives can do no wrong. Trump can do no wrong, he’ll literally be praised as a god, no matter what he does. Genocide 65 million people on American soil? Hero. Crash the American economy? Literal god. That’s just how far right the pendulum is. But the harder right it goes, the harder left it’ll have to swing back eventually. I just hope it’s soon, because millions of lives are at stake. And when it does go all the way left, AOC is about the best candidate that the dems have right now.

                    Right now my biggest hope for the pendulum swinging back left is Mamdani. If he can actually win the election, deliver on his promises, and noticeably improve the living conditions of New Yorkers - this is the left’s best fighting chance right now. To build momentum out of it, news of improvements need to be broadcast everywhere in the US. It’ll take a whole lot of propaganda - and by propaganda I mean people just seeing the truth that’s being hidden from them by their existing propaganda networks. If Mamdani is successful and momentum is built, AOC has a real winning chance. Why Mamdani? Because he’s the most high profile socialist with a chance to do something real right now. In one of the most high profile cities, with a population of millions… that is being used by the right to criticize the left (fully ignoring that the problems in NYC are damn near all caused by capitalism).

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
              81·
              17 days ago

              She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition

              • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                101·
                17 days ago

                Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.

                We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                71·
                17 days ago

                Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

                Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.

                Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?

                  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                    41·
                    17 days ago

                    …but the other guy is LITERALLY TRYING TO BUILD A RESORT IN GAZA. How is he better???

        • ReiRose@lemmy.world
          22·
          17 days ago

          Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            41·
            17 days ago

            Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country

            Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.

            • ReiRose@lemmy.world
              21·
              17 days ago

              I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                17 days ago

                But will there?

                At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.

      • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        109·
        17 days ago

        I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

        Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!

        Now what?

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
          71·
          17 days ago

          Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?

              • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
                34·
                17 days ago

                Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.

        • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          127·
          17 days ago

          Now what?

          Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!

          Now how about you do something fucking constructive.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          116·
          17 days ago

          Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.

          We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.

          You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why

          I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            91·
            17 days ago

            The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.

    • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
      1621·
      17 days ago

      Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1934·
      18 days ago

      Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1837·
      17 days ago

      The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?

      What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?

    • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
      1751·
      17 days ago

      You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.

      Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )