(1) It is unlikely that 90% of the human population lived in extreme poverty prior to the 19th century. Historically, unskilled urban labourers in all regions tended to have wages high enough to support a family of four above the poverty line by working 250 days or 12 months a year, except during periods of severe social dislocation, such as famines, wars, and institutionalized dispossession – particularly under colonialism
This is utterly insane and against every serious study of premodern economics I’m aware of.
Capitalism directly causes poverty, and the starvation of at least 9 million people worldwide per year.
Considering that most deaths by starvation and malnutrition are in areas where capitalism is weak to begin with…?
Every serious study of pre modern economics that I have seen supports that premise. Homelessness and starvation when famine isn’t present didn’t exist anywhere before capitalism. Hell, even Adam Smith said that it would be necessary to switch off of capitalism to something more equitable once certain economic milestones had been achieved. We achieved those milestones in the mid 1850s to 1870s by the latest.
Every serious study of pre modern economics that I have seen supports that premise. Homelessness and starvation when famine isn’t present didn’t exist anywhere before capitalism.
And he spoke to the ultra-impoverished, discussed hunger outside of the context of famines as a serious problem, and was homeless.
But hey! Historical evidence doesn’t matter when there’s an ideological axe to grind. Facts are twisted to suit ideological conceptions, not ideological conceptions changed to suit facts, right?
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. That category didn’t exist based on historical evidence. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
Yes, I have. As well as Marx, and Trotsky. You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
You uh, miss the majority of the fucking comment which challenges your initial absurd claim that I objected to?
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
“Cockgobbling capitalism is when you point out that poverty, starvation, and homelessness predate capitalism, and that feudal and clientistic societies are the ones in the modern day which continue to experience mass starvation, not developed capitalist societies, whose cultivation of a proletariat creates an independent power base for organized workers to demand certain minimum protections and sets up the possibility of a socialist future”
Wacky declarations are no replacement for actual historical context and facts.
I’m sorry, just to be clear - are you disputing that people in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation?
Do you want me to start citing legal codes and chroniclers? Because I can. But I want to make sure that when you start pissing about playing dumb that everyone sees you got what you fucking asked for.
This is utterly insane and against every serious study of premodern economics I’m aware of.
Considering that most deaths by starvation and malnutrition are in areas where capitalism is weak to begin with…?
Every serious study of pre modern economics that I have seen supports that premise. Homelessness and starvation when famine isn’t present didn’t exist anywhere before capitalism. Hell, even Adam Smith said that it would be necessary to switch off of capitalism to something more equitable once certain economic milestones had been achieved. We achieved those milestones in the mid 1850s to 1870s by the latest.
Jesus fucking Christ.
He was also a communist. He literally told his followers to go live in communes.
And he spoke to the ultra-impoverished, discussed hunger outside of the context of famines as a serious problem, and was homeless.
But hey! Historical evidence doesn’t matter when there’s an ideological axe to grind. Facts are twisted to suit ideological conceptions, not ideological conceptions changed to suit facts, right?
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. That category didn’t exist based on historical evidence. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
Try actually reading Adam Smith
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
“he probably did”
Jesus fucking Christ.
I have read Adam Smith, ffs. Have you?
Yes, I have. As well as Marx, and Trotsky. You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
You uh, miss the majority of the fucking comment which challenges your initial absurd claim that I objected to?
“Cockgobbling capitalism is when you point out that poverty, starvation, and homelessness predate capitalism, and that feudal and clientistic societies are the ones in the modern day which continue to experience mass starvation, not developed capitalist societies, whose cultivation of a proletariat creates an independent power base for organized workers to demand certain minimum protections and sets up the possibility of a socialist future”
Wacky declarations are no replacement for actual historical context and facts.
I’m sorry, just to be clear - are you disputing that people in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation?
Do you want me to start citing legal codes and chroniclers? Because I can. But I want to make sure that when you start pissing about playing dumb that everyone sees you got what you fucking asked for.
Keep crying to your lord. Keeps you free from reality.