Every serious study of pre modern economics that I have seen supports that premise. Homelessness and starvation when famine isn’t present didn’t exist anywhere before capitalism.
And he spoke to the ultra-impoverished, discussed hunger outside of the context of famines as a serious problem, and was homeless.
But hey! Historical evidence doesn’t matter when there’s an ideological axe to grind. Facts are twisted to suit ideological conceptions, not ideological conceptions changed to suit facts, right?
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. That category didn’t exist based on historical evidence. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
Yes, I have. As well as Marx, and Trotsky. You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
You uh, miss the majority of the fucking comment which challenges your initial absurd claim that I objected to?
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
“Cockgobbling capitalism is when you point out that poverty, starvation, and homelessness predate capitalism, and that feudal and clientistic societies are the ones in the modern day which continue to experience mass starvation, not developed capitalist societies, whose cultivation of a proletariat creates an independent power base for organized workers to demand certain minimum protections and sets up the possibility of a socialist future”
I don’t care about the rest of your fantasies. People sell themselves into wage slavery or indentured servitude now.
I also don’t particularly care about what a work of mostly historical fiction from over 2000 to 5000 years ago says about how to live. They didn’t know shit about our world.
Capitalism is causing death today. It needs to be destroyed entirely, and replaced with democratically elected councils, not presidents and supreme leaders.
Listing the material conditions of historical societies, the historical societies we were discussing, the historical societies YOU brought up, is my ‘fantasies’??
People sell themselves into wage slavery or indentured servitude now.
… which is a sign of extreme poverty, correct??
What the fuck even is your argument here??
I also don’t particularly care about what a work of mostly historical fiction from over 2000 to 5000 years ago says about how to live. They didn’t know shit about our world.
You were the one who brought up the conditions of Jesus Christ as laid out in Biblical narrative in this conversation
Holy fucking shit.
Capitalism is causing death today. It needs to be destroyed entirely, and replaced with democratically elected councils, not presidents and supreme leaders.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything I’ve said?
Wacky declarations are no replacement for actual historical context and facts.
I’m sorry, just to be clear - are you disputing that people in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation?
Do you want me to start citing legal codes and chroniclers? Because I can. But I want to make sure that when you start pissing about playing dumb that everyone sees you got what you fucking asked for.
Jesus fucking Christ.
He was also a communist. He literally told his followers to go live in communes.
And he spoke to the ultra-impoverished, discussed hunger outside of the context of famines as a serious problem, and was homeless.
But hey! Historical evidence doesn’t matter when there’s an ideological axe to grind. Facts are twisted to suit ideological conceptions, not ideological conceptions changed to suit facts, right?
He spoke to the poor. There were no ultra impoverished. That category didn’t exist based on historical evidence. He spoke to hunger, not starvation outside of famine.
We don’t know if he had a home, he probably did, but just kinda abandoned it.
Try actually reading Adam Smith
People in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to stay alive.
People don’t sell themselves into fucking slavery because they’re only moderately impoverished and fear just being a little bit hungry.
The idea that there was no extreme poverty in the ancient world is utterly bizarre and against everything we know about ancient societies and economies.
“he probably did”
Jesus fucking Christ.
I have read Adam Smith, ffs. Have you?
Yes, I have. As well as Marx, and Trotsky. You seem to have missed the part where Smith would tell you to stop cockgobbling capitalism when it has served its intended purpose by the mid 1800s and move on.
You uh, miss the majority of the fucking comment which challenges your initial absurd claim that I objected to?
“Cockgobbling capitalism is when you point out that poverty, starvation, and homelessness predate capitalism, and that feudal and clientistic societies are the ones in the modern day which continue to experience mass starvation, not developed capitalist societies, whose cultivation of a proletariat creates an independent power base for organized workers to demand certain minimum protections and sets up the possibility of a socialist future”
I don’t care about the rest of your fantasies. People sell themselves into wage slavery or indentured servitude now.
I also don’t particularly care about what a work of mostly historical fiction from over 2000 to 5000 years ago says about how to live. They didn’t know shit about our world.
Capitalism is causing death today. It needs to be destroyed entirely, and replaced with democratically elected councils, not presidents and supreme leaders.
Fucking what??
Listing the material conditions of historical societies, the historical societies we were discussing, the historical societies YOU brought up, is my ‘fantasies’??
… which is a sign of extreme poverty, correct??
What the fuck even is your argument here??
You were the one who brought up the conditions of Jesus Christ as laid out in Biblical narrative in this conversation
Holy fucking shit.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything I’ve said?
Wacky declarations are no replacement for actual historical context and facts.
I’m sorry, just to be clear - are you disputing that people in the ancient world often sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation?
Do you want me to start citing legal codes and chroniclers? Because I can. But I want to make sure that when you start pissing about playing dumb that everyone sees you got what you fucking asked for.
Keep crying to your lord. Keeps you free from reality.