Remember, no matter how beautiful, morally righteous, or gratifying your strategy is, you should really look at the results
The “drive off the cliff” party vs the “drive off the cliff, but ever so slightly slower and also we’ll wave some rainbow flags I guess” party. I know who I’m voting for!
More like two options: one runs the bus off the cliff while the other sets it on fire. Sure, we’ll live longer in the fire scenario. Maybe we can even put it out!
But I’m still looking for the fucking exit.
I bet a lot of people living in Germany in the '30s said “I don’t do politics” too. Oops.
This is kind of a good analogy for ranked choice voting, to be honest.
The bus analogy would have been better if the only two choices were 1. to run over a bunch of poor brown kids (Israel’s genocide) and being pissed on by billionaires before driving off a cliff OR 2. run over slightly fewer brown kids while being given moldy bread to eat.
If liberal democrats truly believed in democracy than they would fight to give us a multiparty system where people don’t have to vote for genocide just to prevent a more evil tyrant from taking power.
Lol like “harm reduction” is going to save us.
Bad analogy anyway bc the effects are immediate anyway.
If we taxed everybody who didn’t vote there be a lot more can you spend your money voter since there is an immediate consequence for not voting.
I’m going to engage in local organizing. I feel like that’s much better and I’ll be able to protect my community and my family
FPTP is the real winner here. It’s why we have Trump. Why can’t we vote for proportional representatives or ranked choice?
I believe there are three reasons our broken two party system stagnates and rots:
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Our slavery founders intended for our system to be a plutocratic republic that would resist change, not a democracy
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The purpose of every state is to maintain order which requires preserving itself
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Fixing our system would require our politicians to vote against their own interests, to risk their own power and status… This goes against every ideal that capitalists believe in. Capitalists believe that as long as they follow the rules, they are entitled to everything they can take. The fact that the rules were written by the rich to favor the rich is of no concern to them.
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The problem with this is that the choice isn’t cliff or ice cream. The choice is the cliff in front of us or the cliff around the corner.
Ice cream won’t fix our problems either, but I agree that a more dire comparison is apt. In either case, one option offers immediate and unconditional death and destruction, and the other option offers a little more time before the next crossroads of that sort. It seems intuitive to me that, unless one is suicidal (and on a national scale, that is, necessarily, advocating for the deaths of millions other than yourself, personally), choosing not to immediately drive the bus off a cliff is the unambiguously correct and necessary choice any time your choices are reduced to those two options.
The choice is pretty clear for asylum seekers.
This is why the Democratic Party sucks so bad. The never offered people something to vote for. They didn’t even offer something harmless - they only ever offered to drive off a cliff more slowly. When in power, they never did anything against the DHS, the MIC, ICE, the Patriot Act. They didn’t even talk about fighting landlords, the bosses, the rich. The Dems even refused police reform, instead increasing budgets. The only thing the party elites ever fought fiercely is Bernie Sanders and the progressive caucus.
The Democratic Party is just as much to blame for Trump as the GOP. Stop blaming progressives for this miserable one party state - start holding your politicians accountable.
Stop blaming the broken system on your passive complicity with the violation of human rights for minorities.
You’d let it all fall down even if it meant tens of thousands of POC and queer lives being destroyed in the process.
Your accelerationism hurts us long before it ever hurts you, which is kind of one of the points of OP’s meme tbh.
There’s a lot of assumptions in your angry reply - and you should be angry. Just not at principled progressives, among them a lot of POC and queer folks, who did not vote for a party that never really did anything for them. You should try to overcome your naivete and accept the obvious - that this current development was inevitable with a Democratic party that is only different from Republicans in the sense that they keep up an act of civility that only ever applies to conservatives. Just look how vile the party establishment attacks Mamdani but had no problems compromising with, and clapping for Trump.
Stop attacking leftists and start forming coalitions (but this time NOT with blue conservatives), because the time when you had the luxury to do so has passed.
lmao you voted for genocide and you’re talking about human rights?
I voted for Kamala Harris, so no. I voted against it.
You voted for the VP of the administration in charge when this article was written.
You’re a scumbag.
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I am not responsible for my government. The only power I have over them is peaceful protest, and my vote, and because of the two party system my only voting choice is the lesser of 2 evils.
I could leave my country, but when I mentioned that elsewhere on Reddit I was accused of doing “white flight” and being a coward.
I’m not going to be guilt tripped into becoming a freedom fighter against my own government, as though that’s the only moral course of action I could take.
I don’t want to spend my life living in fear or fighting battles.
I just want peace and prosperity, and I’m not going to sacrifice it for a lost cause against a foe that will never fall.
The rich will always control everything. They have too much power now. We live in a global surveillance state with nuclear missiles and UAVs and weaponized automated flying drones.
You are not going to overthrow them. You’re just going to waste your life trying.
It’s already over, you just haven’t realized it yet.
All available options were pro genocide. You vote on the differences between candidates, not the similarities.
Don’t worry you will have a fair trial but complicity with genocide is no joke under international law.
Piece of shit
I think people like you deserve to get shot.
Now bombing civilians is compared to “an ice-cream”. Lemmy world admins should really do something about all the genocide denialism going on on their instance.
The ice-cream:
Enjoy your own medicine, loser.
You would eventually “drive off a cliff” with either party, as they will softlock you into never having better choices, and the overton window will keep moving to the right. The only possibility out is to vote third party.
New York City’s primaries just proved that this isn’t the case.
The United States political system is setup in such a way that third parties are an immidate non starter, a garenteed loss.
The only way out is to manipulate a party into changing its ideology like how the Christian Nationalists have been doing since the 80s.
So if you eventually drive off a cliff anyway might as well get it over with and do it now… Because ice cream is for children or gay or something
The only possibility out is to vote third party.
Username checks out.
Hive mind
There are so many options to get out of this, with varying degrees of violence and nonviolence, and voting third party is way down the list for efficacy and likelihood.
Ahh yes.
Voting.
Let’s use the corrupt and exploitative system to fix the corrupt and exploitative system.
I’m sure that will work.
I’m up for whatever, so long as Trump gets Scarlet Rot by the end.
Now I’m trying to imagine what kind of elden ring boss trump would be. Probably one of those things that vomits worms?
Amen to that. Though I wouldn’t hold my breath, considering the immense injustice of the universe thus far.
It’s almost like the whole scenario and setup is just a dumb analogy about why the people who constantly fail are actually correct.
It’s almost like the whole scenario and setup is just a dumb analogy about why the people who constantly fail are actually correct.
It’s astounding that an analogy seeking describe the process of voting in a FPTP system in terms so simple a child can understand is still so consistently misunderstood by Politically Serious People.
I guess it would need to be dumbed down a little more to be truly universally digestible.
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I only voted to drive off of a cliff as a joke. I wanted to trigger those sweet tooth ice cream eaters. I didn’t want to die.
Someone told me about people, who regretted eating ice cream. What if you are allergic to milk, amd die from eating ice cream? What if ice cream is a recent creation by <Jewish enough sounding name> to make children and adults addicted to ice cream, to the rest of their lives? Driving off from a cliff is therefore preferable to ice cream, and someone told me only ice cream eaters will die in a fire.
you’re on the bus
you’re fighting about who should drive
nobody’s talking about stopping the bus
the bus is rolling on brown people
Fixed that for ya
Aye, too true. Trump was the greater evil, but it is hard to see the US as being a democracy when our only two choices were genocide + an aggressive regression to oligarchy VS genocide + a slower LGBT-friendly regression to oligarchy,
i mean i’ve had some ice cream, i contest the validity of the last position
But have you ever ridden on a bus with three people who want to drive off a cliff and four who don’t care? Because that’s the reality here! \s
But have you ever ridden on a bus with three people who want to drive off a cliff and four who don’t care? Because that’s the reality here! \s
Sorry that they didn’t teach what an analogy is in your elementary school.
First I read analorgy and was a bit disturbed.
Public schools are wild, what can I say?
Username checks out?
i also realize i’ve fallen off three cliffs (one of them several times) and there is definitely ice cream that makes you want to drive a bus over a cliff. you ever had that nasty chocolate ice cream that leaves your mouth feeling chalky?
