My job includes doing a lot of events on college campuses, so I see a lot of t-shirts for classic rock bands. I see a Dark Side of the Moon shirt at nearly every event. I’m a huge lifelong musician and music lover, so I often ask if they’ve listened to that album. If they have, we have a nice discussion about Pink Floyd. If not, I encourage them to give it a listen, because it is an album that has literally changed people’s lives.
One girl told me she hadn’t heard it, but her GRANDMOTHER told her it was the greatest album ever made. First of all: Grandmother? That hurt. Secondly, I told her grandma may be right, go listen to that album.
Recently, someone was wearing an Abby Road shirt, so I asked. They turned out to be a huge Beatles fan, and we had a nice conversation about it.
OTOH, one girl had on a Kiss shirt, so I asked her, and she didn’t even know that Kiss was a band. She just liked the shirt.
Not everyone asking is looking to start an argument. Often we are just older music fans who are thrilled to see young people embracing the great rock music of the classic era, and want to talk to them about it. Engage those older music lovers, they may be able to tell you about other albums or artists you might like, or tell cool stories about shows they’ve been to. In my case, I worked for many years on the record biz, and have lots of stories of personal meetings and backstage experiences with truly legendary musicians. Young music lovers enjoy my stories, but if you responded with “name 5 women who trust you,” I’d just write you off as a defensive, confrontational jerk, and ignore you. No fun stories for you.
The Wall is my favorite album of all time, but DSOTM is still special. I only remember seeing two album covers for the first time - Sgt Pepper, and DSOTM.
Back in the 70s and 80s, I worked in record stores, and DSOTM sold multiple times, every single day, even though it had been out for years, and they had three subsequent albums. I knew people who played it every day, and had to buy a new copy every year. I knew plenty of people who came to love music and record collecting after they first heard DSOTM, and it became their favorite album. It changed lots of lives.
This is lovely and wholesome, but you’re not the type of person the post is about.
Edit: sorry I just realised my comment was kinda glib, so let me elaborate. You didn’t specify but I assumed you approached those women with a friendly air, having a genuine desire to have a conversation with them as equals, and said something like “oh I love that album, have you listened to it?” Putting yourself in their shoes, compare that to a guy who approaches them aggressively, having a deep seated resentment for all women, and lashes out with “pretending you like that band huh? Prove it then, name 5 of their songs!”
Thank you for a common sense response to my post. The problem is that ALL standard-issue white boomer men like me have become the enemy, and we all take the blame for assholes who would behave poorly no matter what their sex, age, race, etc.
I have become somewhat activist about sweeping generalizations about people. It isn’t right when MAGA Nazis disparage undocumented immigrants as a whole, and it isn’t right when young people or women, etc. disparage older white men as a whole. Most of us are decent reasonable people, it’s just that the jerks are far louder, so they get the attention.
This was disappointing to read. This post was talking about a specific type of person that was not you, it was not about “how all older white men are the enemy,” and you took it personally. When someone gently told you that you weren’t being targeted, you doubled down and got even more defensive.
I’m sorry, but no one was making sweeping generalizations. We’re talking about a very specific situation that was never stated to be all men.
I don’t understand how your feelings are hurt by a post that had nothing at all to do with you. Judging from your comment, you were never one of the bad ones this post was calling out. It’ll be okay. And there may be other situations where it makes sense to talk about blanket distrust of men that might make life harder for genuinely good guys, though it’s not relevant in this post specifically.
But do you understand how offensive it comes off to equate MAGA Nazis on the same level as mens’ feelings being hurt? The rule of law is being ignored, people are being disappeared, we’re moving closer to Gilead, and the Lemkin Institute issued a genocide warning regarding MAGA blood libel and trans people. How are hurt feelings in any way comparable?
I wish we could have one post in a woman-centric community sharing difficult situations without one of the good men lashing out because they felt personally attacked.
That’s the thing. I’ve never actually seen it in real life. Only in videos.
Just spent four days at a metal festival, people are going to be excited if you have a shirt of a band they wanna watch too. Spent a bunch of time talking to people about the band shirt i was wearing. There where women involved and people of all ages. It was brilliant. At some point one guys asked around the table what our favorite songs where. No weird "stop a random and demand 5 songs. "I sometimes think this is an america-only occurance.
I think the German saying „Der Ton macht die Musik.“ fits very well here. There is a massive difference between you bringing it up as an conversation starter and an incel jerk using it as a challenge.
Funnily enough, in your eagerness to rewrite the post to fit your own assumptions, you ignored the premise of the comments and the actual issue, proving the point entirely.
My job includes doing a lot of events on college campuses, so I see a lot of t-shirts for classic rock bands. I see a Dark Side of the Moon shirt at nearly every event. I’m a huge lifelong musician and music lover, so I often ask if they’ve listened to that album. If they have, we have a nice discussion about Pink Floyd. If not, I encourage them to give it a listen, because it is an album that has literally changed people’s lives.
One girl told me she hadn’t heard it, but her GRANDMOTHER told her it was the greatest album ever made. First of all: Grandmother? That hurt. Secondly, I told her grandma may be right, go listen to that album.
Recently, someone was wearing an Abby Road shirt, so I asked. They turned out to be a huge Beatles fan, and we had a nice conversation about it.
OTOH, one girl had on a Kiss shirt, so I asked her, and she didn’t even know that Kiss was a band. She just liked the shirt.
Not everyone asking is looking to start an argument. Often we are just older music fans who are thrilled to see young people embracing the great rock music of the classic era, and want to talk to them about it. Engage those older music lovers, they may be able to tell you about other albums or artists you might like, or tell cool stories about shows they’ve been to. In my case, I worked for many years on the record biz, and have lots of stories of personal meetings and backstage experiences with truly legendary musicians. Young music lovers enjoy my stories, but if you responded with “name 5 women who trust you,” I’d just write you off as a defensive, confrontational jerk, and ignore you. No fun stories for you.
honestly Ive listened to DSOTM, and while I like the songs, it doesnt feel life changing to me
The Wall however…
The Wall is my favorite album of all time, but DSOTM is still special. I only remember seeing two album covers for the first time - Sgt Pepper, and DSOTM.
Back in the 70s and 80s, I worked in record stores, and DSOTM sold multiple times, every single day, even though it had been out for years, and they had three subsequent albums. I knew people who played it every day, and had to buy a new copy every year. I knew plenty of people who came to love music and record collecting after they first heard DSOTM, and it became their favorite album. It changed lots of lives.
This is lovely and wholesome, but you’re not the type of person the post is about.
Edit: sorry I just realised my comment was kinda glib, so let me elaborate. You didn’t specify but I assumed you approached those women with a friendly air, having a genuine desire to have a conversation with them as equals, and said something like “oh I love that album, have you listened to it?” Putting yourself in their shoes, compare that to a guy who approaches them aggressively, having a deep seated resentment for all women, and lashes out with “pretending you like that band huh? Prove it then, name 5 of their songs!”
Thank you for a common sense response to my post. The problem is that ALL standard-issue white boomer men like me have become the enemy, and we all take the blame for assholes who would behave poorly no matter what their sex, age, race, etc.
I have become somewhat activist about sweeping generalizations about people. It isn’t right when MAGA Nazis disparage undocumented immigrants as a whole, and it isn’t right when young people or women, etc. disparage older white men as a whole. Most of us are decent reasonable people, it’s just that the jerks are far louder, so they get the attention.
“Boomer” isnt restricted to age. Its a mindset.
This was disappointing to read. This post was talking about a specific type of person that was not you, it was not about “how all older white men are the enemy,” and you took it personally. When someone gently told you that you weren’t being targeted, you doubled down and got even more defensive.
I’m sorry, but no one was making sweeping generalizations. We’re talking about a very specific situation that was never stated to be all men.
I don’t understand how your feelings are hurt by a post that had nothing at all to do with you. Judging from your comment, you were never one of the bad ones this post was calling out. It’ll be okay. And there may be other situations where it makes sense to talk about blanket distrust of men that might make life harder for genuinely good guys, though it’s not relevant in this post specifically.
But do you understand how offensive it comes off to equate MAGA Nazis on the same level as mens’ feelings being hurt? The rule of law is being ignored, people are being disappeared, we’re moving closer to Gilead, and the Lemkin Institute issued a genocide warning regarding MAGA blood libel and trans people. How are hurt feelings in any way comparable?
I wish we could have one post in a woman-centric community sharing difficult situations without one of the good men lashing out because they felt personally attacked.
As a standard-issue white boomer man we should be mad at the assholes for being assholes and not the people who want to avoid the assholes.
Those assholes make us look bad, and there’s not really anything we can do but speak up if and when we see it.
That’s the thing. I’ve never actually seen it in real life. Only in videos.
Just spent four days at a metal festival, people are going to be excited if you have a shirt of a band they wanna watch too. Spent a bunch of time talking to people about the band shirt i was wearing. There where women involved and people of all ages. It was brilliant. At some point one guys asked around the table what our favorite songs where. No weird "stop a random and demand 5 songs. "I sometimes think this is an america-only occurance.
I think the German saying „Der Ton macht die Musik.“ fits very well here. There is a massive difference between you bringing it up as an conversation starter and an incel jerk using it as a challenge.
Funnily enough, in your eagerness to rewrite the post to fit your own assumptions, you ignored the premise of the comments and the actual issue, proving the point entirely.
Then you doubled down, just quality all around 💯👌
This is how to be a decent person. I’m glad there are people like you in the world.
And yes the grandmother comment would have definitely hurt… oof.