• lime!@feddit.nu
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    10 days ago

    remember when windows 10 was supposed to be the last os they ever made

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      Dude, they’re still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU… and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?

      They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there’s no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took Microsoft four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?

      This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced… and they think people will fucking go for this?

      The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won’t want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently… because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!

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          They’re already fucking this up with vibe-coding Windows 11, so if they seriously go all-in on this, Windows 12 will be a bigger disaster than fucking Windows Vista and Windows Millennium Edition combined.

          …and frankly, I think they will. They’ve bet the farm on this AI shit, and they need to force it into everything to justify it’s fucking existence even though Copilot is the most dogshit out of all these dogshit generative AI systems.

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              Right, but that’s just it, they’re basically pulling another Vista if they release Windows 12 later this year.

              It’s not clear whether Windows 12 will welcome any non-NPU processors. More likely, PCs that don’t meet its system requirements will lose some functionality.

              As the article reasonably posits, it’s way more likely that they’ll just degrade the experience for people without NPUs, which in other words means decreased performance on older hardware, a la Vista on non-compliant hardware. Yes, Vista fucked up rollout by claiming that some hardware was Vista ready when it wasn’t, but basically the same could happen here regarding lack of NPUs.

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          The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds.

          Yes. They are stupid and don’t deserve their huge paychecks.

          They could’ve done basically nothing. Maybe security updates. And they would’ve had a decent brand that kept bringing in money. Their leadership is worse than doing nothing. A dog would make a better ceo.

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        The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.

        Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don’t forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.

        So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.

        The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.

        They ignoring the reality of today’s market and building to meet the latest fads. It’s Windows 8 all over again.

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            I think it is why AI (Mostly just LLMs) have gotten so much hype. It’s something different. Desktop environments aren’t going to get much better. Mobile phones have been black rectangles for a decade with very little improvement. AI is something new, and feels like an advancement, even if 99% of the proposed use-cases have failed to actually work.

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        This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.

        DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.

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          And they still haven’t even finished making PowerShell anywhere near as functional as Bash or any other Linux shell environment. First version of PowerShell came out exactly 10 years after the first version of NT.

          I don’t outright hate PowerShell but it’s clearly a hacky afterthought after realizing Linux was eating their lunch in the server space via quick rollouts to thousands of computers at once through Bash scripting.

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            I find PS pretty great. Probably the best improvement to Windows since going 32-bit.

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              For sure, it’s a vast improvement, but there’s still so much you can’t do with it.

              Mostly because unlike Bash and DOS, which are CLIs that get GUIs slapped on top, PowerShell is a CLI slapped on top of a GUI.

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        Windows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release… but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.

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    Man, Microsoft doubling down on the whole “Let’s force most of our customers to purchase entirely new computers to use the next release!” strategy after it went so well for Windows 11 is just hilarious. Especially with hardware costs skyrocketing due to AI BS.

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    If you’re not ready to switch to Linux:

    Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to download and activate.

    You can configure just about anything else you want or need using Chris Titus’ Power Shell Windows Utility.

    Rufus is simple and easy to use for extracting the ISO to a USB drive, and has built in options for setting up a local account and automatically disabling telemetry options during installation.

    Microslop is rabidly, desperately, sprinting-on-fire towards a closed mobile-style system paradigm, frothing at the mouth and glowing radioactive iridescent green with envy at Apple and Google’s silicon to application device and software ecosystem control. They want you to purchase the edge tensor hardware they need to run and train the LLMs and machine learning algorithms that will be used to analyze everything you do on your computer, perform deep learning recognition on every photo, video, and file on your hard drive, and securely export that model to themselves, advertisers, and the government at a premium, paid for by our tax dollars.

    They’re burning down their own company to do it, that’s how bad they want it.

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      Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a “compatible version of Windows”. Its rare, but some apps don’t like the enterprise editions.

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        My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.

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          Damn, I guess he can’t play the same game that’s been rereleased annually for 20 years then huh. What a bummer

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    Jesus Christ.

    The Microslop train doesn’t stop. It doesn’t falter. It doesn’t slow.

    Microslop gon give it to ya.

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    How can anyone upgrade to a new PC when there is no Ram or hard disks available? This is a crazy time to try to push that.

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      I think this highlights Microsoft’s inability to connect with its customers even more than the AI and shit.

      They really just do not give a shit about the consumer, at all.

      Its insane people put up with it on their own personal machines I get for work or whatever.

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        Microsoft is absolutely fucking deranged just like that freak who’s leading them. Dealing with them as an enterprise customer is a fucking nightmare, their docs suck, their support, which you pay for btw, is adversarial just like their OS. I fucking hate Microsoft in my bones, so I love when I see them doing submental shit like this to themselves

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          SharePoint is the bane of my existence. Sorry, I can’t find the file you’re looking for because all the files are saved in one folder and fuck you for expecting the filter function to work. I hope you remember the exact filename and enjoy scrolling for 5 minutes.

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            The best thing about sharepoint is I can hook into PA and automate away most of the annoying parts of it

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    CPU NPU requirements will mean longer support necessity for Windows 11.

    If they go ahead with subscriptions, demand will certainly add additional demand for that. But I guess subscriptions would be to cover copilot cost. Given Microsoft’s interest in people upgrading to eventually reduce support surface, I have to assume it will be optional, for AI features. Following that reasoning, the NPU requirement may be optional too, only applicable to the AI features block.

    But who knows, the whole thing is not driven by reasonable business decisions anyway.


    Also, I had no idea there was a “gaming copilot”. Even after following links to the introduction news, I don’t get what it really does.

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    I’ll take this as a sign to continue converting as many of my friends and family to whichever Linux distro fits them best.

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      Honest question. As someone who has used and loved MacOS for many years, what would be the best Linux distro for me?

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        Stick with MacOS, Apple isn’t shitting the bed nearly as hard as MS(lop). If you really want to switch, Mint is nice as a starter, and Bazzite, while intended for gaming, is mich, much more solid than I expected and is totally usable as a daily driver.

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    Making windows worse, AI, and forced CPU upgrades in this economy? There really is something for everyone to hate here.