Is bad bunny not white? I thought Puerto Rico was colonized by the spanish wiping out the majority of the native population and he looks pretty spanish. I guess this is one of those “the Irish aren’t white” situations.
The reason for this is that race is a made-up concept.
Race is a pure “us-vs-them” term. That’s why the term “race” was roughly equivalent to “nationality” in most European languages before the term fell out of use after WW2.
If you read texts from 1920s Europe, they frequently talk about the “French race”, the “German race” or the “English race”. When the Nazis talked about the “uber race”, they didn’t mean white people, but instead meant German people. They saw the French, the English and so on as inferior races. (Which makes the concept of neonazis from other countries than Germany quite absurd.)
In the USA, there weren’t enough people of one nationality to dominate the area, so they had to band together and create a “shared white identity”, so their us-vs-them became roughly equivalent to the continent of origin.
Since “race” doesn’t have any actual definition apart from us-vs-them, it can be adapted to whatever makes sense right now.
A “white person” can be someone who looks vaguely white. It could be someone where the majority of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world (e.g., excluding Ireland, Eastern Europe, North Africa, … even though they might look indistinguishable from people from e.g. Western Europe). It could be someone where every single one of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world. It could even be just people of a certain socio-economic group. You could even define that “true whiteness” requires a certain political affiliation.
Side note: while the term “race” fell out of use in most of Europe after WW2 and is now being reimported from the US with US meaning, the same is not true for the word “racism” that stayed in use in most European languages and is stilm used with the old European definition.
So to someone from the US, a French man hating all Brits is not a racist, but to someone from Europe, he is a racist.
If you read texts from 1920s Europe, they frequently talk about the “French race”, the “German race” or the “English race”. When the Nazis talked about the “uber race”, they didn’t mean white people, but instead meant German people. They saw the French, the English and so on as inferior races. (Which makes the concept of neonazis from other countries than Germany quite absurd.)
Downton Abbey has at least one instance of this, referring to the “German race” just slightly post WW2. It caught me off guard but now makes sense in light of your comment.
most Puerto Ricans are tri-racial with their genetic makeup skewing towards towards African. the three groups that led us to now are the indigenous Taino who were enslaved by Christopher Columbus, enslaved Africans, and as you mentioned the Spanish. i don’t know a single boricua who identifies as white. i’m sure they’re out there, but they’re just not who i’m knowing. but either way, white supremacy guages whiteness by proximity to power within a color coded society. so like… even if Bad Bunny were 100 of spanish descent it’d be as you say, similar to how the Irish, Italians, Romani, Jews, and Ukrainians aren’t white under the framework of american white supremacy.
it’s also important to know that white supremacy isn’t a uniquely western European or so called united states thing. the all time promoting white supremacy champs are:
As someone who has lived in Puerto Rico, and whose mom was born and raised there of immigrants from Mandatory Iraq during WW2, I’d say about 20-30% of people in Puerto Rico consider themselves white.
The CCP promotes Han supremacy; it’s literally encoded in the Chinese constitution that the leader has to be a Han and the deputy has to be of other ethnicities. I learned about that while debating with a supremacist to justify their ideology and the slogan “[insert race/ethnicity/nationality] for [insert any given place]”. That is why lot of white supremacists look to Japan and China, to a certain extent, about keeping “homogeneous” and “native”. But white supremacists conveniently ignore that China is ethnically and linguistically diverse even with 90% Han population making up the Chinese demographic, and the Japanese came to Japan later, with Ainus being there first.
What supremacists really mean to say is that “might makes right. We may have actually come later to the land, but we displaced the original settlers by force. We ain’t gonna let others do the same to us.” I’m kinda glad I am born South East Asian, there is relative harmony among different groups.
Is bad bunny not white? I thought Puerto Rico was colonized by the spanish wiping out the majority of the native population and he looks pretty spanish. I guess this is one of those “the Irish aren’t white” situations.
The reason for this is that race is a made-up concept.
Race is a pure “us-vs-them” term. That’s why the term “race” was roughly equivalent to “nationality” in most European languages before the term fell out of use after WW2.
If you read texts from 1920s Europe, they frequently talk about the “French race”, the “German race” or the “English race”. When the Nazis talked about the “uber race”, they didn’t mean white people, but instead meant German people. They saw the French, the English and so on as inferior races. (Which makes the concept of neonazis from other countries than Germany quite absurd.)
In the USA, there weren’t enough people of one nationality to dominate the area, so they had to band together and create a “shared white identity”, so their us-vs-them became roughly equivalent to the continent of origin.
Since “race” doesn’t have any actual definition apart from us-vs-them, it can be adapted to whatever makes sense right now.
A “white person” can be someone who looks vaguely white. It could be someone where the majority of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world (e.g., excluding Ireland, Eastern Europe, North Africa, … even though they might look indistinguishable from people from e.g. Western Europe). It could be someone where every single one of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world. It could even be just people of a certain socio-economic group. You could even define that “true whiteness” requires a certain political affiliation.
Side note: while the term “race” fell out of use in most of Europe after WW2 and is now being reimported from the US with US meaning, the same is not true for the word “racism” that stayed in use in most European languages and is stilm used with the old European definition.
So to someone from the US, a French man hating all Brits is not a racist, but to someone from Europe, he is a racist.
Downton Abbey has at least one instance of this, referring to the “German race” just slightly post WW2. It caught me off guard but now makes sense in light of your comment.
most Puerto Ricans are tri-racial with their genetic makeup skewing towards towards African. the three groups that led us to now are the indigenous Taino who were enslaved by Christopher Columbus, enslaved Africans, and as you mentioned the Spanish. i don’t know a single boricua who identifies as white. i’m sure they’re out there, but they’re just not who i’m knowing. but either way, white supremacy guages whiteness by proximity to power within a color coded society. so like… even if Bad Bunny were 100 of spanish descent it’d be as you say, similar to how the Irish, Italians, Romani, Jews, and Ukrainians aren’t white under the framework of american white supremacy.
it’s also important to know that white supremacy isn’t a uniquely western European or so called united states thing. the all time promoting white supremacy champs are:
China promotes White Supremacy?
As someone who has lived in Puerto Rico, and whose mom was born and raised there of immigrants from Mandatory Iraq during WW2, I’d say about 20-30% of people in Puerto Rico consider themselves white.
The CCP promotes Han supremacy; it’s literally encoded in the Chinese constitution that the leader has to be a Han and the deputy has to be of other ethnicities. I learned about that while debating with a supremacist to justify their ideology and the slogan “[insert race/ethnicity/nationality] for [insert any given place]”. That is why lot of white supremacists look to Japan and China, to a certain extent, about keeping “homogeneous” and “native”. But white supremacists conveniently ignore that China is ethnically and linguistically diverse even with 90% Han population making up the Chinese demographic, and the Japanese came to Japan later, with Ainus being there first.
What supremacists really mean to say is that “might makes right. We may have actually come later to the land, but we displaced the original settlers by force. We ain’t gonna let others do the same to us.” I’m kinda glad I am born South East Asian, there is relative harmony among different groups.
White supremacy probably not but racial supremacy is 100% true.
the Han demographic exist in proximity to power in a color coded society
Do you have any evidence?
China is 70% or more Han, you can imagine they have a similar issue with their ethnic minorities but far more direct and unhidden.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv80cchq
here’s a scholarly book examining how Han-centric views and narratives shape China’s government
They’re not rich enough to count as white, apparently.